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OC_SID

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 25, 2010, 11:01:09 AM
Quote from: sac on January 23, 2010, 10:13:03 PM
This was passed on to me.........

Michael McClary became Olivet's leading shotblocker today with 111.  The MIAA doesn't keep a list for that record, but I would think he'd be near the top 10 by next season if there was one.

He needs just 45 points to become Olivet's 13th 1,000 point scorer.

Based on the stats available in MIAA archives (league leaders - for MIAA games only goes back to the 1996-1997 season), he's a shoe in for the top 10 since 1996.  In fact he's 14th on that list after last year. 

Here are the top 20 from the 96-97 to 08-09 seasons (MIAA games only)



Rank     Name   Team   Blocks     
1     Don Overbeek   Hope   123     
2     Kris Merritt   Hope   76     
3     Jeremy Hyler   Alma   73     
4     Travis DePree   Albion   68     
5     De'Andre Pruitt   Olivet   59     
6     Josh Meckes   Calvin   57     
7     Eric Voisin   Hope   52     
8     Jeremy Veenstra   Calvin   51     
9     Mat Kellogg   Kalamazoo   49     
10     Andrew Neidlinger   Albion   47     
11     Chad Kahle   Defiance   47     
12     Tony Wichmann   Kalamazoo   44     
13     Ian Weber   Adrian   43     
14     Michael McClary   Olivet   43     
15     Josh Tubergen   Calvin   42     
16     Sam Machuta   Alma   40     
17     Steve Thornton   Adrian   39     
18     John Mantel   Calvin   38     
19     Rob Taylor   Alma   34     
20     Kevin Baird   Kalamazoo   33     

And he has 12 this year, so he is up to 7th.

maroonandgold

In the discussion of shot blockers, it might be interesting to observe what Schuster of Calvin did the last 2 games.  Since he is somewhat of a late bloomer, he might never make the record books.  But he had a major impact on the first half of the Calvin-Albion game with his 2 blocks and the tendency of Albion to shy away from close shots with him there.  One of the earlier posts mentioned that Albion had no inside game.  He seemed to be a major factor.  By my count, he had 3 blocks against Kalamazoo and at least 2 against Albion.  With his long arms and increasing control over his body, he is becoming a factor.

Erm Schmigget

Quote from: OC_SID on January 25, 2010, 12:07:33 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 25, 2010, 11:01:09 AM
Quote from: sac on January 23, 2010, 10:13:03 PM
This was passed on to me.........

Michael McClary became Olivet's leading shotblocker today with 111.  The MIAA doesn't keep a list for that record, but I would think he'd be near the top 10 by next season if there was one.

He needs just 45 points to become Olivet's 13th 1,000 point scorer.

Based on the stats available in MIAA archives (league leaders - for MIAA games only goes back to the 1996-1997 season), he's a shoe in for the top 10 since 1996.  In fact he's 14th on that list after last year. 

Here are the top 20 from the 96-97 to 08-09 seasons (MIAA games only)



Rank     Name   Team   Blocks     
1     Don Overbeek   Hope   123     
2     Kris Merritt   Hope   76     
3     Jeremy Hyler   Alma   73     
4     Travis DePree   Albion   68     
5     De'Andre Pruitt   Olivet   59     
6     Josh Meckes   Calvin   57     
7     Eric Voisin   Hope   52     
8     Jeremy Veenstra   Calvin   51     
9     Mat Kellogg   Kalamazoo   49     
10     Andrew Neidlinger   Albion   47     
11     Chad Kahle   Defiance   47     
12     Tony Wichmann   Kalamazoo   44     
13     Ian Weber   Adrian   43     
14     Michael McClary   Olivet   43     
15     Josh Tubergen   Calvin   42     
16     Sam Machuta   Alma   40     
17     Steve Thornton   Adrian   39     
18     John Mantel   Calvin   38     
19     Rob Taylor   Alma   34     
20     Kevin Baird   Kalamazoo   33     

And he has 12 this year, so he is up to 7th.

At a clip of 2 per MIAA game so far, he could likely work his way into 4th place by the end of the regular season, maybe even 3rd.

...and he's "only" 6'5".   ...and he's a Junior!?!?!  Yikes!   :o

I also see that he's the MIAA player of the week, for the 4th time this season.  I get the feeling he's one of those players we'll be talking about years down the road.
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KnightSlappy

Quote from: maroonandgold on January 25, 2010, 01:30:11 PM
In the discussion of shot blockers, it might be interesting to observe what Schuster of Calvin did the last 2 games.  Since he is somewhat of a late bloomer, he might never make the record books.  But he had a major impact on the first half of the Calvin-Albion game with his 2 blocks and the tendency of Albion to shy away from close shots with him there.  One of the earlier posts mentioned that Albion had no inside game.  He seemed to be a major factor.  By my count, he had 3 blocks against Kalamazoo and at least 2 against Albion.  With his long arms and increasing control over his body, he is becoming a factor.

I was about to mention Brent as well. In my opinion, he's the best shot blocker in the league right now. According to the box scores, he got 3 blocks against Albion. He's also recorded "triple figures" against Hope and Kalamazoo.

maroonandgold

Do you happen to know how many Brent Schuster has for the year?  Isn't he also the tallest player in the league right now?

KnightSlappy

Quote from: maroonandgold on January 25, 2010, 02:05:13 PM
Do you happen to know how many Brent Schuster has for the year?  Isn't he also the tallest player in the league right now?

http://miaa.org/mbb/stats/0910/calvinm.htm

He's got 15 on the year, and 11 of those have come in conference play.

I don't know of anyone that's taller, so that definitely helps.

KnightSlappy

Quote from: Erm Schmigget on January 25, 2010, 01:32:36 PM
...and he's "only" 6'5".   ...and he's a Junior!?!?!  Yikes!   :o

I'll give him a solid 6'8" with the 'fro.

ziggy

Quote from: maroonandgold on January 25, 2010, 02:05:13 PM
Do you happen to know how many Brent Schuster has for the year?  Isn't he also the tallest player in the league right now?

Trine's Alex Croll is also listed as 6'10"

Flying Dutch Fan

Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 25, 2010, 01:56:32 PM
Quote from: maroonandgold on January 25, 2010, 01:30:11 PM
In the discussion of shot blockers, it might be interesting to observe what Schuster of Calvin did the last 2 games.  Since he is somewhat of a late bloomer, he might never make the record books.  But he had a major impact on the first half of the Calvin-Albion game with his 2 blocks and the tendency of Albion to shy away from close shots with him there.  One of the earlier posts mentioned that Albion had no inside game.  He seemed to be a major factor.  By my count, he had 3 blocks against Kalamazoo and at least 2 against Albion.  With his long arms and increasing control over his body, he is becoming a factor.

I was about to mention Brent as well. In my opinion, he's the best shot blocker in the league right now. According to the box scores, he got 3 blocks against Albion. He's also recorded "triple figures" against Hope and Kalamazoo.

Best in the league?  Based on what - the fact that he plays for your team?  

There are 3 other MIAA players averagining more blocks per game in MIAA play than Schuster - Prepolec, McClary, Snuggerud.  Schuster is 4 inches taller than Prepolec and 5 inches taller than both McClary and Snuggerud.  His size alone gets him an extra block every now and then, making the numbers put up by the others more impressive - IMHO.
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ziggy

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 25, 2010, 03:32:25 PM
There are 3 other MIAA players averagining more blocks per game in MIAA play than Schuster - Prepolec, McClary, Snuggerud.  Schuster is 4 inches taller than Prepolec and 5 inches taller than both McClary and Snuggerud.

And plays 6-13 minutes fewer per game than those other three.

Personally, I think the fact that he doesn't block each ball to a teammate immediately excludes Schuster from any sort of consideration but the playing time differential is worth noting.

KnightSlappy

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Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on January 25, 2010, 03:32:25 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 25, 2010, 01:56:32 PM
Quote from: maroonandgold on January 25, 2010, 01:30:11 PM
In the discussion of shot blockers, it might be interesting to observe what Schuster of Calvin did the last 2 games.  Since he is somewhat of a late bloomer, he might never make the record books.  But he had a major impact on the first half of the Calvin-Albion game with his 2 blocks and the tendency of Albion to shy away from close shots with him there.  One of the earlier posts mentioned that Albion had no inside game.  He seemed to be a major factor.  By my count, he had 3 blocks against Kalamazoo and at least 2 against Albion.  With his long arms and increasing control over his body, he is becoming a factor.

I was about to mention Brent as well. In my opinion, he's the best shot blocker in the league right now. According to the box scores, he got 3 blocks against Albion. He's also recorded "triple figures" against Hope and Kalamazoo.

Best in the league?  Based on what - the fact that he plays for your team? 

There are 3 other MIAA players averagining more blocks per game in MIAA play than Schuster - Prepolec, McClary, Snuggerud.  Schuster is 4 inches taller than Prepolec and 5 inches taller than both McClary and Snuggerud.  His size alone gets him an extra block every now and then, making the numbers put up by the others more impressive - IMHO.

Size is a part of the game, and size can help someone be a better shot blocker. Would he be the best shot blocker if everyone else in the league was 6-10? Probably not. Should I count that against him? No.

Schuster gets his blocks in under 20 minutes per game. McClary gets over 32 minutes per game, and Snuggerud gets over 25 minutes.

Blocks per minute leaders:
Schuster --- .0926 bpm
Snuggerud -- .0775 bpm
Propolec --- .0758 bpm
Mason ---- .0748 bpm
McClary --- .0612 bpm

...and Schuster is the only Calvin Knight on this list so he wins!

Gregory Sager

Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 25, 2010, 03:56:45 PM
Blocks per minute leaders:
Schuster -- .0926 bpm
Snuggerud -- .0775 bpm
Propolec -- .0758 bpm
Mason -- .0748 bpm
McClary -- .0612 bpm

Did I nap through the week and wake up on Formula Friday? ;)
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Dark Knight

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Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 25, 2010, 04:00:36 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 25, 2010, 03:56:45 PM
Blocks per minute leaders:
Schuster -- .0926 bpm
Snuggerud -- .0775 bpm
Propolec -- .0758 bpm
Mason -- .0748 bpm
McClary -- .0612 bpm

Did I nap through the week and wake up on Formula Friday? ;)

Them's not formulas, them's data.

For comparison, Carissa Verkaik has 37 blocks in 9 league games (.164 bpm) and looks to blow MIAA records out of the water.

Gregory Sager

Quote from: Dark Knight on January 25, 2010, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 25, 2010, 04:00:36 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 25, 2010, 03:56:45 PM
Blocks per minute leaders:
Schuster -- .0926 bpm
Snuggerud -- .0775 bpm
Propolec -- .0758 bpm
Mason -- .0748 bpm
McClary -- .0612 bpm

Did I nap through the week and wake up on Formula Friday? ;)

Them's not formulas, them's data.

I know. I was wondering if I had dozed through the formula part. ;)
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Flying Dutch Fan

Calculating player productivity on a per minute basis does level the playing field, so to speak.  But that assumes that the effort and level of play doesn't decrease as minutes increase - these guys are human after all and they do get tired. 

For the amount of time they are in the game, they accomplish what they accomplish.  I say we should judge them based on that - not some calculated, theoretical performance.

Or we could do it per minute, but then Albion's Luke Walker is averaging 1.5 points per minute in league play, and probably leading the league in scoring (I didn't check every player - just making a point).
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"Blame FDF.  That's the default.  Always blame FDF."
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