MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[realist]

FDF:  Your points are well made.  Doing the calculation using playing time only serves to give a relative idea how meaningful the players contribution might be.  Imho KS should show minutes played right behind the bpm #.  It is helpful if some minimum minutes playing time, games played in, shots taken etc. is used so anyone viewing the numbers understands their importance.  No doubt Schuster's bpm would come down if his p.t. went up.  The important thing for Calvin fans is Schuster is really starting to contribute, and that can only complicate matters for other teams.  
Speaking of numbers, one that caught my eye is the fact Calvin has made more f.t's than any other team has even attempted.  Calvin 142 ftm's  to Albion 128 fta's.   Calvin is shooting .798 on ft's as a team which is great.  Scoring almost 24 ppg (142 ./. 6) with the clock stopped combined with a +9 rebounding advantage are keys to Calvin's sucess so far.  Now if they can just learn to stop turning the ball over so much

[KnightSlappy]

For the amount of time they are in the game, they accomplish what they accomplish.  I say we should judge them based on that - not some calculated, theoretical performance.

The 'bpm' that I calculated isn't a theoretical performance, it's acutal performance for the amount of time that each player was on the floor.

Or we could do it per minute, but then Albion's Luke Walker is averaging 1.5 points per minute in league play, and probably leading the league in scoring (I didn't check every player - just making a point).

Actually Walker averages 0.667 points per minute, but you knew that your comparison was a ridiculous one when you wrote it anyway.

[KnightSlappy]

FDF:  Your points are well made.  Doing the calculation using playing time only serves to give a relative idea how meaningful the players contribution might be.  Imho KS should show minutes played right behind the bpm #.  It is helpful if some minimum minutes playing time, games played in, shots taken etc. is used so anyone viewing the numbers understands their importance.  No doubt Schuster's bpm would come down if his p.t. went up.  The important thing for Calvin fans is Schuster is really starting to contribute, and that can only complicate matters for other teams. 

Even if we leave statistics aside for a moment, I am of the opinion that Brent would block more shots than any other player in the league if each player could be put into an identical series of situations.

[Mr. Ypsi]

The per minute discussions have so far avoided the 'elephant in the room' - WHY doesn't the guy get more minutes if he is that productive?

Ryan ('Big Country' - or as I prefer in honor of his size, 'Big Continent' ) Connolly of IWU is an illustrative example.  Per minute, his points and rebounds are astounding - easily the best on the team.  But, due both to conditioning and (especially) inability to guard mobile big men, after only 2-3 minutes at a time he becomes a liability.  Projecting out his minutes to 'starter time', he'd be a shoe-in for first team all America; unfortuantely, if he played 3-4 times as much, his stat totals would probably barely budge from what they are now!

[realist]

Perhaps you are right, but one must also factor in his overal contribution to the game.  MM  & JP do a nice job blocking shots, and score/rebound rather well at the same time.    

[realist]

The per minute discussions have so far avoided the 'elephant in the room' - WHY doesn't the guy get more minutes if he is that productive?

Ryan ('Big Country' - or as I prefer in honor of his size, 'Big Continent' ) Connolly of IWU is an illustrative example.  Per minute, his points and rebounds are astounding - easily the best on the team.  But, due both to conditioning and (especially) inability to guard mobile big men, after only 2-3 minutes at a time he becomes a liability.  Projecting out his minutes to 'starter time', he'd be a shoe-in for first team all America; unfortuantely, if he played 3-4 times as much, his stat totals would probably barely budge from what they are now!

Good question.  BS. was off the team for the better part of two seasons.  He is slowly working his way back into shape, and the rotation.  While he does stand 6'10"  he does not intimidate many with his physical presence.  Also a factor is Calvin has 6' 9" John Mantel eating up a lot of space and time in the post.  Brent is actually more suited to
a perimeter game, and does have problems guarding more mobile/athletic players.  Calvin enjoys the luxury in D 3 of being able to play twin towers, and sometimes opposing players will drive on Schuster thinking their odds of sucess will be better than trying the same move on Mantel.

[Dark Knight]

The per minute discussions have so far avoided the 'elephant in the room' - WHY doesn't the guy get more minutes if he is that productive?

Also, this is really his first year on varsity, so he needed to learn KVS's systems. But he's getting there. He started out averaging 13 minutes per game (first 5 games), and he's been getting 20 minutes per game for the last few.

First 5 games @ 13 minutes a game: 5.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 0.6 blocks/game
Last 3 games @ 20 minutes a game: 6.7 points, 6.0 rebounds, 2.3 blocks/game

[KnightSlappy]

The per minute discussions have so far avoided the 'elephant in the room' - WHY doesn't the guy get more minutes if he is that productive?

I think that's because we were only talking in the context of shot blocking, not overall production.

[maroonandgold]

In response to the comment about Brent Schuster just learning the game and the system, I also noticed that he seems to be learning better basketball moves with an occasional move to the basket that did not happen early in the year.  Two years ago he seemed to only attempt outside shots with very little around the basket.  That still appears to be his preference.  But he does not seem to have the conditioning to go long minutes.  It will be interesting to see if he continues to progress.

[oldknight]

Blocks per minute leaders:
Schuster -- .0926 bpm
Snuggerud -- .0775 bpm
Propolec -- .0758 bpm
Mason -- .0748 bpm
McClary -- .0612 bpm

Did I nap through the week and wake up on Formula Friday?

Actually Greg, Formula Friday is a malady that affects those connected with the Calvin community every January. This is the month the good folks of Knight Nation got used to spending their mornings in a classroom setting learning more fun stuff than we can get during the fall or spring semester. (The Mafia in America with Henry Holstege was my personal favorite. Got to watch The Valachi Papers which is a lot better than reading the book. Charles Bronson was terrific). Students, professors--even alumni of long ago--are constitutionally predisposed towards kicking off their shoes after a morning of such fun which releases them to muse on such obscure stuff as bpm's, ppm's, and fpm's.

[Civic Minded]

Blocks per minute leaders:
Schuster -- .0926 bpm
Snuggerud -- .0775 bpm
Propolec -- .0758 bpm
Mason -- .0748 bpm
McClary -- .0612 bpm

Did I nap through the week and wake up on Formula Friday?

I'm guessing it's more like  "Must be Rivalry Week Monday."   

[HopeConvert]

Since it has happened twice, and Goodknight is not around to provide correction, it's shoo-in, not shoe in.

[HopeConvert]

My best two interims were Frisian with Bernard Fridsma, and "Heresy and Heretics," the latter being, obviously and in retrospect, a how-to course.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Since it has happened twice, and Goodknight is not around to provide correction, it's shoo-in, not shoe in.

Yes.  I had always thought it was 'shoe-in' (as a salesman's foot in the door), but realize on further thought that that would only be going from no chance (slammed door) to some chance (keep talking).  Greg Sager provided the etymology on the CCIW board (only an hour or so ago) - 'shoo-in' is from horse racing, as in a fixed race where competitors are 'shooed' away.

[Gregory Sager]

My best two interims were Frisian with Bernard Fridsma, and "Heresy and Heretics," the latter being, obviously and in retrospect, a how-to course.

LOL!