MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[GoKnights68]

Hasn't been posted here yet:


http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/10/sos.htm

Looks like the numbers on the left indicate where they rank in SOS, although every team is sorted out from top to bottom based on their in-region winning %.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

For the amount of time they are in the game, they accomplish what they accomplish.  I say we should judge them based on that - not some calculated, theoretical performance.

The 'bpm' that I calculated isn't a theoretical performance, it's acutal performance for the amount of time that each player was on the floor.

Or we could do it per minute, but then Albion's Luke Walker is averaging 1.5 points per minute in league play, and probably leading the league in scoring (I didn't check every player - just making a point).

Actually Walker averages 0.667 points per minute, but you knew that your comparison was a ridiculous one when you wrote it anyway.

OK, so maybe theoretical was the wrong word, but I would argue that since you are assuming that there is no variation in performace as playing time increases or decreases, it's misleading at best.  If not, then despite my bad math, Walker is probably one of the league leaders in points per minute.

[ziggy]

OK, so maybe theoretical was the wrong word, but I would argue that since you are assuming that there is no variation in performance as playing time increases or decreases, it's misleading at best.  If not, then despite my bad math, Walker is probably one of the league leaders in points per minute.

If you think that interpreting statistics on a per minute basis for a guys that play half the game or more is akin to projecting stats for a guy that has played 7 total minutes then we've hit a brick wall. Right or wrong the case can be supported without going to the severe extreme suggested.

Just a quick recap:
Opinion stated -> Opinion rejected based on accusatory bias, perceived lack of evidence -> Evidence provided -> "I reject your reality and substitute my own."

[Flying Dutch Fan]

OK, so maybe theoretical was the wrong word, but I would argue that since you are assuming that there is no variation in performance as playing time increases or decreases, it's misleading at best.  If not, then despite my bad math, Walker is probably one of the league leaders in points per minute.

If you think that interpreting statistics on a per minute basis for a guys that play half the game or more is akin to projecting stats for a guy that has played 7 total minutes then we've hit a brick wall. Right or wrong the case can be supported without going to the severe extreme suggested.

Just a quick recap:
Opinion stated -> Opinion rejected based on accusatory bias, perceived lack of evidence -> Evidence provided -> "I reject your reality and substitute my own."

So you've never used the absurd to make a point?  And since it appears you completely missed my point, let me try to make it very clear.

In my opinion (and that's all we are discussing here is opinions, not facts), it is wrong to assess statistics based on a per minute basis.  Using a per minute basis for calculating statistics can create a bias toward those players who play less, since they will suffer less fatigue.  This is true even if you enforce some minimum number of minutes per game requirement to be included in the rankings.   In fact, I would surmise that we would most likely find that the league leaders for several of the individual category would be those players that play just around the minimum.

FYI - I have yet to express an opinion on who is the best shot blocker in the MIAA.  To date, I have only challenged those of you who claim Schuster is the best to defend your opinion.

<EDIT> Corrected my spelling errors

[realist]

Reality distortion field  RDF


In essence, RDF is the idea that [any D3 poster] is able to convince himself and others to believe almost anything with a mix of charm, charisma, bluster, exaggeration, marketing and persistence. RDF is said to distort an audience's sense of proportion or scale. Small advances are applauded as breakthroughs. Interesting developments become turning points, or huge leaps forward. Impossible-seeming schedules, requirements or specifications are acceded to. Snap judgments about technical merits of approaches are sometimes reversed without acknowledgment. Those who use the term RDF contend that it is not an example of outright deception but more a case of warping the powers of judgment.  

Wikipedia paraphrased.

[Gregory Sager]

Let me guess: Today is Philosophy Tuesday, right?

[Erm Schmigget]

Reality distortion field  RDF


In essence, RDF is the idea that [any D3 poster] is able to convince himself and others to believe almost anything with a mix of charm, charisma, bluster, exaggeration, marketing and persistence. RDF is said to distort an audience's sense of proportion or scale. Small advances are applauded as breakthroughs. Interesting developments become turning points, or huge leaps forward. Impossible-seeming schedules, requirements or specifications are acceded to. Snap judgments about technical merits of approaches are sometimes reversed without acknowledgment. Those who use the term RDF contend that it is not an example of outright deception but more a case of warping the powers of judgment.  

Wikipedia paraphrased.

Insertion of "[any D3 poster]" notwithstanding, what this really sounds like is a brief description of social activism/politics/courtroom law.    Apologies to any social activists/politicos/courtroom lawyers reading, of course.  



Looking at the table that gk68 provided a link to, I wondered, is there a similar table somewhere showing standings by region, or do we have to wait until later in the saeson for that?  I followed the Regional Rankings link on d3hoops, and those rankings are from last year.

Unless I'm missing someone, it looks like from the Great Lakes the top 4 are:

Calvin
Wooster
Wilmington
Hope

Lots of season to go, and there's more criteria to the process of choosing teams for the tourney, but by this one measure, Hope is still in position to contend for a Pool C bid, *if* they don't win the AQ, of course.

[realist]

ES:  If memory serves correctly the first regional ranking should come out in the next week.
Good guess on the RDF.  It actually comes as a refereence to the management style of Steve Jobs at Apple.  I just thought it was a good way to remind everyone we shouldn't take what we post to seriously.

[ziggy]

Calvin and Hope each made moves in the Massey Ratings with their wins over Albion:

1. Calvin 49 (+28)
2. Hope 60 (+48)
3. Albion 94 (-32)
4. Olivet 99 (-9)
5. Adrian 168 (+6)
6. Trine 217 (+41)
7. Kalamazoo 322 (-12)
8. Alma 343 (-6)

[sac]

Reality distortion field  RDF


In essence, RDF is the idea that [any D3 poster] is able to convince himself and others to believe almost anything with a mix of charm, charisma, bluster, exaggeration, marketing and persistence. RDF is said to distort an audience's sense of proportion or scale. Small advances are applauded as breakthroughs. Interesting developments become turning points, or huge leaps forward. Impossible-seeming schedules, requirements or specifications are acceded to. Snap judgments about technical merits of approaches are sometimes reversed without acknowledgment. Those who use the term RDF contend that it is not an example of outright deception but more a case of warping the powers of judgment.  

Wikipedia paraphrased.

Insertion of "[any D3 poster]" notwithstanding, what this really sounds like is a brief description of social activism/politics/courtroom law.    Apologies to any social activists/politicos/courtroom lawyers reading, of course.  



Looking at the table that gk68 provided a link to, I wondered, is there a similar table somewhere showing standings by region, or do we have to wait until later in the saeson for that?  I followed the Regional Rankings link on d3hoops, and those rankings are from last year.

Unless I'm missing someone, it looks like from the Great Lakes the top 4 are:

Calvin
Wooster
Wilmington
Hope

Lots of season to go, and there's more criteria to the process of choosing teams for the tourney, but by this one measure, Hope is still in position to contend for a Pool C bid, *if* they don't win the AQ, of course.

I think this might be what you're looking for,  you can also find the whole thing in the multi-region Pool C thread.

Through Sunday's games:

REG   #   WP      OWP     OOWP    SOS     RPI      NAT   Pool        REG     OVR   CONF     Team
GL   01   0.875   0.543   0.502   0.529   0.6158   018   A   C       7-1    11-6   MIAA     Calvin
GL   02   0.800   0.545   0.526   0.539   0.6041   031   A   C      12-3    13-4   OAC      Wilmington
GL   03   0.667   0.581   0.499   0.554   0.5818   056   C   033    10-5    11-5   OAC      John Carroll
GL   04   0.750   0.526   0.517   0.523   0.5797   060   C   036     6-2    11-6   MIAA     Hope
GL   05   0.813   0.483   0.522   0.496   0.5753   066   A          13-3    13-4   NCAC     Wooster
GL   06   0.786   0.468   0.502   0.479   0.5560   095   C   057    11-3    11-4   AMCC     Penn State-Behrend
GL   07   0.727   0.503   0.484   0.497   0.5544   097   N/A         8-3    11-7   PrAC     Geneva
GL   08   0.692   0.514   0.484   0.504   0.5512   100   C   061     9-4    13-4   NCAC     Wittenberg
GL   09   0.692   0.475   0.553   0.501   0.5488   106   C   067     9-4    11-6   OAC      Heidelberg


10. Albion
11. Baldwin-Wallace
12. Thomas More
13. Wabash

Geneva is not eligible to be ranked by the NCAA due to their provisional status, so you can go ahead and move everyone behind them up a spot.

[Galahad]

Let me guess: Today is Philosophy Tuesday, right?

...either that or Testy Tuesday (because it's Calvin/Hope week)

[KnightSlappy]

Calvin and Hope each made moves in the Massey Ratings with their wins over Albion:

1. Calvin 49 (+28)
2. Hope 60 (+48)
3. Albion 94 (-32)
4. Olivet 99 (-9)
5. Adrian 168 (+6)
6. Trine 217 (+41)
7. Kalamazoo 322 (-12)
8. Alma 343 (-6)

Looks like Massey is respecting the nice month of January that the Knights have had. When Dark Knight posted the original rankings, on January 6, Calvin was #129. That's an 80 spot jump!

[sac]

If traveling to Angola or Alma doesn't thrill the Westsiders Wednesday night why not head over to Moll Arena at Cornerstone University where the Eagles will be hosting fellow WHAC unbeaten Davenport in a battle for 1st place.

Davenport hasn't lost since their game with Hope, and Cornerstone has won 10 in a row.  CU is ranked #12, Davenport #18 in the latest NAIA II poll.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Let me guess: Today is Philosophy Tuesday, right?

...either that or Testy Tuesday (because it's Calvin/Hope week)

I prefer Tune-up Tuesday.  We're all just sharpening our skills for Saturday   

[ziggy]

Let me guess: Today is Philosophy Tuesday, right?

...either that or Testy Tuesday (because it's Calvin/Hope week)

I prefer Tune-up Tuesday.  We're all just sharpening our skills for Saturday  

No need to get worked up about Saturday, the outcome has been predestined since the beginning of time. Just sit back and enjoy the show!