MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[oldknight]

I've seen every one of those 3 point masters so D) all of the above

......and Bryan Foltice isn't even on that list.

What about Winkle's banked three in 2000?

[Knightmare]

I've seen every one of those 3 point masters so D) all of the above

......and Bryan Foltice isn't even on that list.

What about Winkle's banked three in 2000?

That's the one I thought Sac must be thinking of when he mentioned the fetal position.  Saw that one in person before leaving GR.  Someone please refresh my memory, how did that 2000 season end again?  

[realist]

Wiz.  Stahr was from Flat Rock.  Reportedly was on his way for a visit at GVSU and got lost.  Found the Calvin campus, and was directed to the fieldhouse, and next thing you know he decides to come to Calvin.  Ryan's last game was a loss down at Witt in the 95 NCAA's.  I am not 100 % sure on this, but he may have been involved in the Scotty Plaiser, et. al. incident.

I think the guy from St. Charles, IL that played under Eddie D. was Matt Harrison of the 92 team.

I remember MG, and you are right he did leave to go to U of M.  A shame,  if he had stayed he would have been on the 00 team with KVS.

[ziggy]

Apparently it is Throwback Thursday

[GoKnights68]

The vegas-line just came in.  Calvin is a 1.5 point favorite.

It sounds about right.  I think it'll come down to the final possession.

[hoopdreams]

any insight from Hope fans about the game last night?  The weather kept me home.  Looking at the stats it looks like a tale of 2 halves.  Blew the doors off the place and subbed pretty liberally in the first, not so much in the second- either scoring or subbing until the last few minutes.  After some close games down there, it looks like last night went relatively stress free.

I am looking forward to seeing Trine's freshman stud play when they make the trip up.  He's putting up some nice numbers.  Inside primarily, outside or both?  How about Graham?  I remember some hype about him in hs, and I believe he went down south for a year or two before ending up at Trine.  They've got a couple pieces in place down there.

[Hopecouple]

Snow kept me in too.  According to the stats looks like everyone got a chance to play a little... and I think looks like Ty hit a few 3's?  Is he back?  Last game at home he hit a few 3's and looked like his confidence was showing up or maybe he was just happy to be out on the floor again.

Will miss seeing Jared out there though.

Chris didn't play right?  Anyone know how long he will be out?

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Ryan Stahr, #12, on the 3 pt. shooting list only played for Calvin 2 years.  He was quite a trip.  I recall during a 1995 MIAA tournament game at the Civivc Center the cheerleaders (in uniforms) from Flat Rock h.s. (Ryan's hometown) showed up to lead the cheering.  What a hoot.    The guy has his own groupies.

I also recall another game in which Eddie D. almost blew a fuse when Ryan gets the ball, drives down the floor as fast as possible, puts up/makes 3's on sucessive posessions after Eddie had instructed the team to run the clock down.  Eddie was so flabbergasted after the first 3 he just stood there glowering at Ryan, and didn't react until it happened a second time.  FTR (for the record)  Not one ounce of contrition!

You might have a couple of guys a little mixed up.  I'm pretty sure Ryan Stahr was from St.Charles, IL.  Perhpas you are thinking of Gotfriedson, who came by a little later.  Actually ended up as a walk on starter of UofM.  Mike played for VandeStreek and Ryan played for Douma.

That's a good assessment of Stahr....with MIAA MVP Chris Knoester they formed a great backcourt in 93-94, sweeping Hope that season before Hope dominated the rivalry for a few years.  I remember many a time Stahr pulling up for a long three on the 1-on-4 "fastbreak".  one of those "no no no,....YES!" moments

And he was from Flat Rock, MI, not Illinois

[wiz]

Wiz.  Stahr was from Flat Rock.  Reportedly was on his way for a visit at GVSU and got lost.  Found the Calvin campus, and was directed to the fieldhouse, and next thing you know he decides to come to Calvin.  Ryan's last game was a loss down at Witt in the 95 NCAA's.  I am not 100 % sure on this, but he may have been involved in the Scotty Plaiser, et. al. incident.

I think the guy from St. Charles, IL that played under Eddie D. was Matt Harrison of the 92 team.

I remember MG, and you are right he did leave to go to U of M.  A shame,  if he had stayed he would have been on the 00 team with KVS.

You are right!  I stand corrected.  But, hey, you're Calvin fan so I hold no hatred for you and I'm not even thinking about throwing a punch.

[HopeConvert]

The status of Nelis will be key to Saturday's game. Without him I fear we might have to see a fair amount of zone from the Dutchmen, which could lead to a big game for Veltema.

[sac]

The status of Nelis will be key to Saturday's game. Without him I fear we might have to see a fair amount of zone from the Dutchmen, which could lead to a big game for Veltema.

Speaking of Hope players, I think Ty Tanis deserves a nice pat on the back for his play the last 2 games.  I've had varying reports about his state of mind with regards to basketball and his playing time this season.  Last week at Albion though Ty and Nate King were consistently the first two kids off the bench to greet teammates at timeouts and were throwing much encouragement their way throughout the game.

Ty had played just 8 total minutes in 2 games in MIAA play before this past Saturday and stepped right on the court and has scored 20 points on 7-10 shooting and 6-9 from trey with 3 assists and a steal in 21 minutes.

With Jared Mysliwiec at minimum missing most of the 2nd half of the MIAA rotation, more likely all of it.......Ty becomes an important piece of the rotation now.


........and speaking of replacing injured players, all of those minutes Nate Snugeruud was being criticized for getting early in the season while Andy Venema nursed his achilles back to full health are now becoming very important.  Nate and Hope would be in a much tougher situation without those starts and minutes filling in for Chris Nelis who has had an outstanding season.  Nate can easily slide back into the starting lineup and probably at a more comfortable position on the floor next to Venema.

I think Hope was a stronger team with Venema/Nelis starting and Snugeruud coming off the bench.......but with Nelis out for an undetermined time, its nice to be able to call on a Fr with a great deal of game minutes and experience under the belt now.  I suspect that Josh Holwerda and Adam Dickerson will get a few more chances  the longer Nelis is out as well.

Some tough challenges ahead for Hope with basically 2 of their top 7 players sitting on the bench.

[sac]

Halfway through conference play I thought I might take a crack at an all-league team.

First team

Michael McClary-Olivet
Peter Bunn-Hope
Matt Veltema-Calvin
Jovon Mosley-Adrian
Joe Prepolec-Kzoo
Scott Rogers-Trine
John Mantel-Calvin


Second Team

J.C. Cruse-Albion
Nathan Jennings-Olivet
Chris Nelis-Hope
Ryan Clark-Kzoo
Kevin Ginther-Alma
Andre Evans-Olivet

I ended up picking 7 first teamers, because A) I believe Matt Veltema deserves a spot and B) I couldn't decide between Mantel and Rogers.  I put Andre Evans on the 2nd team as the last man because there really wasn't a point guard anywhere in my top 12.  Of the points, he seems to be having the best season.

Picking 12 13 is alot harder than picking the 16 we used to pick.......some players you'd like to see on the list like Wes Weir, Will Bowser, Andre Bridges, Chris Hutton and Tom Snikkers get left off the list.


MVP

At the moment it really seems like its Michael McClary's to lose, I think I'd go with him.  Leading this league in scoring and rebounding should count for something. One of the Calvin guys, Veltema or Mantel should make a strong charge as the year goes on.   Could be an interesting race if Bunn or Mosley have big 2nd halves along with their teams.


Freshmen of the year is a nice race between Tom Snikkers, Calvin and Scott Rogers, Trine.  Last year Trine's Fr, Chris Mislan impressed me but Rogers has pretty much put him on the bench........and we're well versed in the all around stat book stuffing that Snikkers is capable of producing.  A host of good Fr scatter the league this year which is pretty encouraging. 

Newcomer is probably easily Jovon Mosley of Adrian, he's had some big games and its doesn't really sound like anyone can really guard him well.

[CalKnight60]

Halfway through conference play I thought I might take a crack at an all-league team.

First team

Michael McClary-Olivet
Peter Bunn-Hope
Matt Veltema-Calvin
Jovon Mosley-Adrian
Joe Prepolec-Kzoo
Scott Rogers-Trine
John Mantel-Calvin


Second Team

J.C. Cruse-Albion
Nathan Jennings-Olivet
Chris Nelis-Hope
Ryan Clark-Kzoo
Kevin Ginther-Alma
Andre Evans-Olivet

I ended up picking 7 first teamers, because A) I believe Matt Veltema deserves a spot and B) I couldn't decide between Mantel and Rogers.  I put Andre Evans on the 2nd team as the last man because there really wasn't a point guard anywhere in my top 12.  Of the points, he seems to be having the best season.

Picking 12 13 is alot harder than picking the 16 we used to pick.......some players you'd like to see on the list like Wes Weir, Will Bowser, Andre Bridges, Chris Hutton and Tom Snikkers get left off the list.


MVP

At the moment it really seems like its Michael McClary's to lose, I think I'd go with him.  Leading this league in scoring and rebounding should count for something. One of the Calvin guys, Veltema or Mantel should make a strong charge as the year goes on.   Could be an interesting race if Bunn or Mosley have big 2nd halves along with their teams.


Freshmen of the year is a nice race between Tom Snikkers, Calvin and Scott Rogers, Trine.  Last year Trine's Fr, Chris Mislan impressed me but Rogers has pretty much put him on the bench........and we're well versed in the all around stat book stuffing that Snikkers is capable of producing.  A host of good Fr scatter the league this year which is pretty encouraging. 

Newcomer is probably easily Jovon Mosley of Adrian, he's had some big games and its doesn't really sound like anyone can really guard him well.

I know everyone likes to hate on Mantel here, but seriously sac.   Mantel and Joe play the same position and I am wondering how in your mind Joe can possibly be a shoe-in, while Mantel is on the bubble.....epsecially considering Mantel averages more Points, Rebounds, and Assists, while (more importantly) leading his team to a 7-0 start, while Kalamazoo is a mere 3-4?  Please explain because I don't understand.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I know everyone likes to hate on Mantel here, but seriously sac.   Mantel and Joe play the same position and I am wondering how in your mind Joe can possibly be a shoe-in, while Mantel is on the bubble.....epsecially considering Mantel averages more Points, Rebounds, and Assists, while (more importantly) leading his team to a 7-0 start, while Kalamazoo is a mere 3-4?  Please explain because I don't understand.

CK60 - If you're talking about all-conference considerations, you have to look at conference only stats.  Based on those stats, it's a no brainer that Prepolec is a 1st teamer (19.1 pts, 9.7 reb, 2.6 blks per game).  Mantels numbers (14.1 pts, 8.1 reb, 1.1 blks per game) support sac's tough decision. 

I always love the arguement about "he's on a 7-0 team" versus "he's on a 3-4 team".  Not sure either side of that wins over the other.

[ziggy]

CK60 - If you're talking about all-conference considerations, you have to look at conference only stats.  Based on those stats, it's a no brainer that Prepolec is a 1st teamer (19.1 pts, 9.7 reb, 2.6 blks per game).  Mantels numbers (14.1 pts, 8.1 reb, 1.1 blks per game) support sac's tough decision. 

I always love the arguement about "he's on a 7-0 team" versus "he's on a 3-4 team".  Not sure either side of that wins over the other.

I have always been of the mindset that all-conference performers earn their spot based on individual accomplishments but team records should play some role in determining a Most Valuable Player. However, it would be entirely different if the conference named a Most Outstanding Player.

I think McClary would be the clear MOP. MVP may be a different argument, especially with a few more losses. In the end it is a matter of semantics, no real right or wrong opinions.