MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[OC_SID]

Hope did get warned. One of the refs came and told us at the table during a timeout and then told one of the Hope assistants.

[arena]

Hope did get warned. One of the refs came and told us at the table during a timeout and then told one of the Hope assistants.

What did they get warned for?

[OC_SID]

Delay of game.

[NW Hope Fan]

Live stats are a big tease.  First it had the game tied at the end, then it took the points away.  Grrrr

Listening would have helped... Some score keeper was a little trigger happy w/ the jumper after the buzzer.

Nah, the hope announcers annoy me.

Whatever... "Everyone else's" announcers annoy someone... The point I was poorly trying to make, was that I was watching live stats and listening, and even then a was for a moment confused, till the audio caught up.

[hoopdreams]

I think what arena was asking was, why did Hope receive their warning, or what did they do to earn the warning?  Was it GVW's leaving the coaches box?  Is that considered a delay of game issue? Even if play was dead at the time?

If so, it epitomizes the officiating in the 1st (which was subpar at best).  By GVW's standards, his on the floor presence was minimal compared to when he wanders 3 ft on the floor in the corner.  There are times when players have to manuver around him during play.  I had a feeling things were going to be tough when they missed bunn's opening jumper, which has already been eluded to.  It wasn't even questionable that he was on the line.

Had a feeling Evans play would be key, and it was.  He was reallly....off yesterday.

[Stinger]

Standings  + for road win/ - for home loss


Calvin 8-2     +3
Hope 8-2       +3
Adrian 7-3     +2
Albion 6-4     +2
Olivet 5-5      0
Kzoo 4-7       -1
Trine 2-8       -4
Alma 0-10       -5

K is 4-6.

[Hopester]

Last night, the Cutler Center housed one of the more entertaining MIAA games of the season... It was every bit as gripping and entertaining as the Hope Calvin matchup a week before. In the first half, Michael McClary proved why he should be named MIAA MVP. He was flatout unstoppable. They weren't the greatest or wide open looks either, lots of turn around fadeaways and outside jumpers, which are not bad shots to give if you are the defense. Peter Bunn was outstanding for Hope. H e was hitting everything from everywhere, even though the defense was clearly trying to prevent him from getting the ball. There were many times either Evans or Post would be holding him down just to try to prevent entry. It seemed Hope's plan to stop Olivet was to keep McClary out of the paint, and to contain Evans and Jennings. Which the latter they did extremely well. Jennings and Evans combined for only 3 field goals the entire game. Given that, many role players stepped up for Olivet and had great games. Joe Post had a very efficient game with a good number of assists point and boards (plus a key steal). Edsall, Clark, Dutton, and Kerns all played very valuable minutes as well.

The atmosphere at Cutler was awesome as well. It is not the biggest of places, but is very good size for Olivet. It was pretty close to full and pretty close to split evenly Hope and Olivet. Both student sections were loud and energetic. It was quite a night.

Also in talking to some people, I was told that Hope currently holds the tiebreaker for MIAA tourney host, because they currently are ahead of Calvin in the regional rankings, I know it is a long way out, but that is something to keep in mind these last two weeks.

[Hopester]

Also to add, I was informed that Hope had its warning after Glenn got furious with a ref after a horrible granted timeout to Olivet, where jump ball should have been called. There was no prior warning for catching the ball under the hoop for which Venema was called for. Later on, an Olivet did the same thing, and the technical was reversed for them.

[Erm Schmigget]

Was it just me, or did it seem that the ref who t'ed up warned GVW really have it in for him the rest of the first half?  I swear I caught sight of him glaring at Glenn after several calls (or non-calls), just daring him to say something.  For as much complaining as we do about the refs in the MIAA, and as much "abuse" as they take from ALL coaches, I will say this for them: by and large, they have all displayed the ability to withhold their emotions from the way they call the games and handle the coaches.  This guy yesterday was... how shall I say... lacking in this respect.

[realist]

Quoting Hopester:  "Also in talking to some people, I was told that Hope currently holds the tiebreaker for MIAA tourney host, because they currently are ahead of Calvin in the regional rankings, I know it is a long way out, but that is something to keep in mind these last two weeks."

There are others probably more expert than I, but I do not recall ever reading or hearing that anything other than MIAA play is considered re: hosting MIAA tournament.   
Like others I think it is too early to worry about hosting as everyone one is going to take their best shot at both Calvin and Hope.  In the first pick-em I predicted 11-3 would probably be good enough to win the MIAA this year.  Yes, 12-2 is still a possiblity for Hope and Calvin, but each still have some tough games to play against teams that would love to "take either of them down a peg".

[Happy Calvin Guy]

By GVW's standards, his on the floor presence was minimal compared to when he wanders 3 ft on the floor in the corner.  There are times when players have to manuver around him during play.  

Here's a quote from the NCAA rulebook:

Section 1. Bench Decorum
A. Coaching box. The rules committee wants the coaching box rule enforced and technical fouls called for infractions. Coaches are expected to remain in the coaching box. To do otherwise results in a distinct advantage that is not within the spirit and intent of the rules. Roaming coaches also negatively influence play by being out on the court. The rule is clear and concise. Some coaches blatantly disregard the coaching box and many officials refuse to enforce the rule. Head coaches have the responsibility to remain in the box and behave in a sportsmanlike manner. Institution and conference administrators must demand that their coaches adhere to the rules and must support officials who properly enforce the rules. The following guidelines have been established to assist in adjudicating this situation.
1. Out of the coaching box. The rules prohibit the head coach from being outside the prescribed coaching box. After a warning, a technical foul shall be assessed when a coach is clearly and completely outside his/her box.

According to the NCAA rulebook, leaving the coaching box:

1.  Violates the rules
2.  creates a "distinct advantage" for his team that is illegal
3.  "negatively influences" the game play
4.  is unsportsmanlike

If the refs followed the NCAA rules, he would get a warning and then get teed up for each subsequent violation.  And this is not one of those rules that is in the books but really not to be enforced.  The NCAA clearly takes this very seriously but I never see it enforced in the MIAA. I don't think any players or coaches ever "earn" the right to break any rules.

[oldknight]

Saturday was my first look at Trine's squad and I must say I came away impressed by their two fine freshmen, Ian Jackson and Scott Rogers who combined for 38 of the Thunder's 62 points. This duo's stat line was significantly better than Calvin's two prized frosh though Rob Harmon expects (and needs) far more from his pair than KVS does from his. Jackson and Rogers did play a combined 71 minutes and it was obvious that Trine's offense revolved around these two guys--especially with Wes Weir coming in off the bench and only playing 22 minutes. I'm curious to know why Weir didn't start since I didn't notice any obvious injury that inhibited his play. Jackson and Rogers offer a lot of hope for Trine's future, especially if they can add a quality big man with scoring ability. Rogers' dunk coming down the lane was mighty impressive--maybe the best in D3 hoops history.

I felt a bit sorry for Alex Croll who was whistled for 5 fouls in only 14 minutes of PT, including a couple of soft ones. At least they looked soft from a guy who tips the scales at 280. When Croll got his fourth on the offensive end, Harmon was slow to get a replacement to the scorer's table. As Calvin was walking the ball up the floor Harmon simultaneously pointed to his head and yelled at Croll as if to say "Think!"  When Calvin immediately entered the ball into the post, Alex thought to contest the entry pass. The official asked Croll to watched the final 13 minutes from the bench. That was a big moment because Trine struggled to cover Mantel from that point on even as John struggled to make his charity tosses.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

If the refs followed the NCAA rules, he would get a warning and then get teed up for each subsequent violation.  And this is not one of those rules that is in the books but really not to be enforced.  The NCAA clearly takes this very seriously but I never see it enforced in the MIAA. I don't think any players or coaches ever "earn" the right to break any rules.

I've never seen this rule regularly enforced at any level of basketball, in any league. This is not a situation where MIAA refs depart from the norm.

[KnightSlappy]

If the refs followed the NCAA rules, he would get a warning and then get teed up for each subsequent violation.  And this is not one of those rules that is in the books but really not to be enforced.  The NCAA clearly takes this very seriously but I never see it enforced in the MIAA. I don't think any players or coaches ever "earn" the right to break any rules.

I've never seen this rule regularly enforced at any level of basketball, in any league. This is not a situation where MIAA refs depart from the norm.

Either way it's a rule that clearly calls for support from the officials. When a coach roams onto the floor, he blatently disrespects the rules (and officials).

I've only seen the call regularly made when the coach wanders onto the court and gets bumped by a player. I don't think any warning is administered when a coach contacts a player or the ball during play.

[oldknight]

If the refs followed the NCAA rules, he would get a warning and then get teed up for each subsequent violation.  And this is not one of those rules that is in the books but really not to be enforced.  The NCAA clearly takes this very seriously but I never see it enforced in the MIAA. I don't think any players or coaches ever "earn" the right to break any rules.

I've never seen this rule regularly enforced at any level of basketball, in any league. This is not a situation where MIAA refs depart from the norm.

Either way it's a rule that clearly calls for support from the officials. When a coach roams onto the floor, he blatently disrespects the rules (and officials).

I've only seen the call regularly made when the coach wanders onto the court and gets bumped by a player. I don't think any warning is administered when a coach contacts a player or the ball during play.

You're correct. A few years back GVW made contact with Andy Draayer as he was preparing to successfully launch a three. The ref awarded Calvin the basket plus two free throws.