MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[northb]

The game is for 40 minutes.  In this case the Adrian player should be commended for not laying down, and Snikkers should learn to play until he hears a whistle or horn.  
I didn't have a problem with Bunn scoring at the end of that game either.

One of the problems is we get all these "play nice, don't score if you have a lead, pow can only be from a team that wins" politically correct ideas that have nothing to do with playing basketball.  If I were a coach I would want my team to play at 100% all the time.  If the team is fortunate enough to have a nice lead at the end I pull starters etc. to avoid rubbing it in.  I would never tell my 13th or 16th player not to be aggressive when he finally got alittle p.t. If the kid gets a chance to steal go for it.   Even better power slam it if you can do it

Realist, I usually see your posts as fairly, er, realistic, but the above seems to be self-referentially incoherent.  If I want my team to play 100% all the time, why would I put in the end of the bench "to avoid rubbing it in?"  To rest my regulars, yes.  To motivate my 13th or 16th player, yes.  But if I really am 100%, why slow my team down? On the other hand, if I am willing to do that to keep from rubbing it in, then dribbling out the last possession also makes sense. And if my opponent feigns going along with it, then suddenly jumps up to make an inconsequential steal and basket, then they are being unsportsmanlike.  On the other other hand, if they did not display any sign of going along with it, then my PG is fair game.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Anyone taking wagers on who will first reach for the dead horse?

[oldknight]

Since the advent of the shot clock I can only remember seeing one game when a player chose to steal the ball during the final seconds of a game where the final outcome was already decided. Ironically, that happened to Calvin three years to the day prior to last night (must be something about February 10 that gets in a defender's blood). I'm not rendering a value judgment on playing the game that way--I'm merely surprised when it does. I even made mention of it on this board (at page 573):

I also saw something I've never seen before. With Calvin casually dribbling out the final 25 seconds and the shot clock off, an overly feisty Comet decided to steal the ball  and try and score. He missed the layup, Olivet rebounded and a different Olivet player simply dribbled out the final few seconds rather than trying to score a meaningless basket. I'm glad the Knights didn't try and hammer the overanxious thief from Olivet because that could have resulted in an ugly ending to a 47 point blowout.

[ScotsFan]

Anyone taking wagers on who will first reach for the dead horse?

[ziggy]

No, just loose with his handles.  He knew the defender was tight on him and crossed over right in front of the defender.  Unfortunately, for Oldknight and Ziggy that doesn't matter because we should play nice and never steal the ball.  Maybe, Coach White should suspend or bench this player for such behavior.  Would that make it all better for you guys who contend its bad sportmanship and not hustle?

If you can show me where I criticized the Adrian player I will gladly recant. I simply refuted the notion that the issue would have been interpreted differently if it had been a Calvin player.

If coach White was calling for the team to continue fouling to prolong the game then I see nothing wrong with the play. If the player took action of his own volition while the coach's desire was to run out the clock then I think there is merit in the discussion. Again, I am withholding judgment because I didn't see the play and I don't know what Coach White was calling for but the insinuation that different standards apply to Calvin players is ludicrous.

No, I would say very accurate.  YOu rarely hear credit come from MOST Calvin fans to the opponent or the calling out of their own for what other people may consider questionable. Adrian was out of foul mode but the press was still on. Like I say that insinuation doesn't fit all but MOST

Both teams played hard.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

No, just loose with his handles.  He knew the defender was tight on him and crossed over right in front of the defender.  Unfortunately, for Oldknight and Ziggy that doesn't matter because we should play nice and never steal the ball.  Maybe, Coach White should suspend or bench this player for such behavior.  Would that make it all better for you guys who contend its bad sportmanship and not hustle?

If you can show me where I criticized the Adrian player I will gladly recant. I simply refuted the notion that the issue would have been interpreted differently if it had been a Calvin player.

If coach White was calling for the team to continue fouling to prolong the game then I see nothing wrong with the play. If the player took action of his own volition while the coach's desire was to run out the clock then I think there is merit in the discussion. Again, I am withholding judgment because I didn't see the play and I don't know what Coach White was calling for but the insinuation that different standards apply to Calvin players is ludicrous.

No, I would say very accurate.  YOu rarely hear credit come from MOST Calvin fans to the opponent or the calling out of their own for what other people may consider questionable. Adrian was out of foul mode but the press was still on. Like I say that insinuation doesn't fit all but MOST

Both teams played hard.

And a shortage of live horses is occurring in Michigan.  Should we completely run out, we'll have to resort to beating on a basketball player who steals the ball with less than 35 seconds left.   

[ziggy]

I keep waiting for some semblance of order to show itself in the standings but it doesn't seem like that will happen this year. I am definitely looking forward to the MIAA tournament as it should be the most wide open tournament in years, perhaps ever.

With three games to go it looks safe to put teams in tiers (In alphabetical order):

1-2: Calvin, Hope
3-5: Adrian, Albion, Olivet
6: Kalamazoo
7: Trine
8: Alma

Despite being down a game to Adrian and Albion, I would give Olivet the inside track to one of the top four seeds based on their remaining schedule.

There will be at least one pretty good team that doesn't win a conference tournament game and whoever wins it will have earned it, even if it comes on their home floor.

[KnightSlappy]

Albion and Adrian still have tough, tough schedules to play.

Albion has @Hope, Calvin, Adrian
Adrian has @Olivet, Hope, @Albion

compare that to Olivet who has: Adrian, @Alma, and Kalamazoo

Olivet's wins over Hope and Calvin will give them a big leg up if they end up tied with either Albion or Adrian.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

There will be at least one pretty good team that doesn't win a conference tournament game and whoever wins it will have earned it, even if it comes on their home floor.

And there will be at least one pretty good team that doesn't get to play any tournament games at home.

[KnightSlappy]

There will be at least one pretty good team that doesn't win a conference tournament game and whoever wins it will have earned it, even if it comes on their home floor.

And there will be at least one pretty good team that doesn't get to play any tournament games at home.

...Unless 5-8 win in round one 

[Flying Dutch Fan]

There will be at least one pretty good team that doesn't win a conference tournament game and whoever wins it will have earned it, even if it comes on their home floor.

And there will be at least one pretty good team that doesn't get to play any tournament games at home.

...Unless 5-8 win in round one 

Bite your tongue!!  This the MIAA, not the WIAC

[oldknight]

A heart-warming article appears today on Mlive about the life of D3's POY from 2000.

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2010/02/former_calvin_star_aaron_winkl.html

[ziggy]

Aaron Winkle will reunite with members of the 1999-2000 championship team Saturday for a special tribute at halftime of the Calvin-Kalamazoo basketball game at Van Noord Arena

Sounds like Saturday will be a lot of fun. It would be great to see a big crowd and some student creativity, like wearing a banana costume.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Aaron Winkle will reunite with members of the 1999-2000 championship team Saturday for a special tribute at halftime of the Calvin-Kalamazoo basketball game at Van Noord Arena

Sounds like Saturday will be a lot of fun. It would be great to see a big crowd and some student creativity, like wearing a banana costume.

Or even an unscripted cheer or two   

[GoKnights68]

Aaron Winkle will reunite with members of the 1999-2000 championship team Saturday for a special tribute at halftime of the Calvin-Kalamazoo basketball game at Van Noord Arena

Sounds like Saturday will be a lot of fun. It would be great to see a big crowd and some student creativity, like wearing a banana costume.

Free ice cream after the game I am pretty sure!