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northb

DIII 2021 Basketball National Tournament Pick-em Co-Champ

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northb

DIII 2021 Basketball National Tournament Pick-em Co-Champ

I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them never happened.

--Mark Twain

northb

DIII 2021 Basketball National Tournament Pick-em Co-Champ

I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them never happened.

--Mark Twain

Flying Dutch Fan

Quote from: goknights68 on February 28, 2010, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: calvin_grad on February 28, 2010, 03:03:58 PM
Quote from: hoopdreams on February 28, 2010, 02:00:05 PM
One comment about the fatigue factor brought up earlier.  One of the reasons Hope looked "fresher" in my opinion was the fact that even though the starters have logged big minutes, their last 4 games prior to last night were against adrian and trine, 2 time hoarding offenses that really didn't force Hope to play hard every second defensively.  When a team holds onto the ball for 25-32 seconds each posession, it's like dozens of mini timeouts during play. 
And before last night, Calvin had 2 of their last 3 against Alma, who also did a lot of standing around.

Maybe Calvin just was a bit more tired, and if that was indeed the case, I would contribute that more to having to come from back 14 points down 2 games in a row.

You're right.  I think that definitely didn't help down the stretch of the game.  And like I said before, Hope made the clutch shots in the last few minutes and Calvin didn't.  It was just like the last Calvin/Hope game.

I also think that having to play on Saturday after the late game on Friday is a disadvantage - just look at the records of recent championship games.  2.5 hours less rest since your last game may also be significant
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northb

DIII 2021 Basketball National Tournament Pick-em Co-Champ

I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them never happened.

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Flying Dutch Fan

Quote from: hoopdreams on February 28, 2010, 04:24:25 PM
You only have to go back 2 years to find a Hope team that received little help scoring from their bench.  They rode their starters, err, seniors the entire tourney and most close/Calvin games.  The 4 frosh at the time played some pretty significant minutes at the begining and watched the minutes evaporate as the season progressed.

Did the freshmen's, minus Jared, diminish as the season progressed because they not work as hard? Did teams gameplan to take them out of the game? GVW has shortened his bench in "big" games in recent memory.  Not that it's the wrong decision, it's just the way its gone.  He generally has more faith in his experienced players
Regarding playing time for the freshman, I've got an entirely different perspective on this one.  As mentioned, Jared's injury acounts for his lack of playing time.  

As for Snuggerud and Holwerda I think it's a combination of things. 1) Andy Venema recovered from his Achiles injury, and 2) a perception that their minutes have decreased, when they really haven't.  

Snuggerud averaged 21.6 minute per game in league play (nearly 3 minutes more than Venema) and 25.4 in non-league games.  Holwerda averaged 7.5 minutes per game in league play and 7.9 in non-league games.  
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Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: northb on February 28, 2010, 04:59:33 PM
Calvin's bubble shrinks as UT Dallas loses

My guess is that Anderson is the loser, but Calvin sure can't rest easy.

northb

and Worcester PolyTech also lost, and if the d3hoops.com projection is correct, that bumps Calvin off the table.  Dang it.
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Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: northb on February 28, 2010, 05:04:34 PM
and Worcester PolyTech also lost, and if the d3hoops.com projection is correct, that bumps Calvin off the table.  Dang it.

Not sure why Pat even mentioned WPI needing to win to avoid bursting someone's bubble.  WPI was only the TENTH seed in the Northeast region.  I haven't studied their credentials in detail, but I think THEY are out, not Calvin or someone else.

ziggy

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Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2010, 05:13:10 PM
Quote from: northb on February 28, 2010, 05:04:34 PM
and Worcester PolyTech also lost, and if the d3hoops.com projection is correct, that bumps Calvin off the table.  Dang it.

Not sure why Pat even mentioned WPI needing to win to avoid bursting someone's bubble.  WPI was only the TENTH seed in the Northeast region.  I haven't studied their credentials in detail, but I think THEY are out, not Calvin or someone else.

Prior to today WPI had a .760 WP and .517 SOS
Calvin finishes with a .789 WP and .503 SOS

Calvin should be in ahead of WPI. No notable wins for WPI, they lost to MIT twice.

northb

#23830
cool, the bubble re-inflates

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L40E_DM_bWg
DIII 2021 Basketball National Tournament Pick-em Co-Champ

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--Mark Twain

GoKnights68

So do we have to wait until 10am tomorrow to see if Calvin makes it or not?

pointlem

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 28, 2010, 04:50:35 PM
Quote from: goknights68 on February 28, 2010, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: calvin_grad on February 28, 2010, 03:03:58 PM
Quote from: hoopdreams on February 28, 2010, 02:00:05 PM
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I also think that having to play on Saturday after the late game on Friday is a disadvantage - just look at the records of recent championship games.  2.5 hours less rest since your last game may also be significant

FDF, I agree.  Moreover, after an exciting game you've another couple hours to calm down and perhaps sleep better.  When Hope and hopefully Calvin play next Friday night, they can wish for a 6 p.m. matchup--to avoid playing the home team the first night, to be able to scout them in the second game, to rest well, and then to face what likely would be the home team after a full game's play in their gym.  

With three other teams, the chances are two out of three that is what they would get (although if Calvin is seeded last in its group might they be more likely to face a top-seeded home team the first night)?

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Pat Coleman says on Hoopsville tonight that if he had to redo tournament bracket that he would switch Hope and Calvin in the bracket.
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