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To further beat the Hope/Calvin scheduling dead horse, did anyone else listen to Hoopsville and hear the Anderson coach accuse Hope, Calvin, Wash U, and Illinois Wesleyan of dodging his team? He apparently has two games to fill and can't find anyone to take him up on it.

It's 197.5 miles separating Anderson, IN, and Grand Rapids, MI.
Bring on Anderson!

Same administrative region, would be an in-region game regardless of distance.

I'm aware.........its still a long way to go for a non-conference game

[KnightSlappy]

I know this is never a popular point here, but I think it is relevant today.  If Calvin just had 2 or 3 more in-region wins, they'd be in. 

I know Hope and Calvin have very good institutional reasons for playing all of those NAIA games, but if getting in the tournament is important, it's pretty clear the non-conference scheduling really, really hurts.

I respect both programs immensely and not here to question...but I do think the non-conference schedule topic is something to consider on a day like this.

Good luck to Hope in the tournament, and best wishes to the Calvin seniors.

If they found a way to win one more of those games against Hope, or beat Wheaton, or the road game against Olivet, they would have been in, so it's not a scheduling issue (though I would like to see more regional games). Any single win in those 5 games would have gotten them in (probably).

The last two years, Calvin just didn't do enough to get in. It came down to a judgement call, and they missed out both times.

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To further beat the Hope/Calvin scheduling dead horse, did anyone else listen to Hoopsville and hear the Anderson coach accuse Hope, Calvin, Wash U, and Illinois Wesleyan of dodging his team? He apparently has two games to fill and can't find anyone to take him up on it.

It's 197.5 miles separating Anderson, IN, and Grand Rapids, MI.
Bring on Anderson!

Same administrative region, would be an in-region game regardless of distance.

I'm aware.........its still a long way to go for a non-conference game

If Anderson really want to play these teams then they can make the drive.

[Pat Coleman]

They can make the drive, but Calvin has to agree to take the floor with them, too.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

I know this is never a popular point here, but I think it is relevant today.  If Calvin just had 2 or 3 more in-region wins, they'd be in. 

I know Hope and Calvin have very good institutional reasons for playing all of those NAIA games, but if getting in the tournament is important, it's pretty clear the non-conference scheduling really, really hurts.

I respect both programs immensely and not here to question...but I do think the non-conference schedule topic is something to consider on a day like this.

Good luck to Hope in the tournament, and best wishes to the Calvin seniors.

This has been a point of debate on this board in the past but I could not agree with you more. I would like to see Hope (and Calvin) play more NCAA teams and let go of a few of there NAIA games, maybe just rotate who they play every two years if they do not want to end the tradition of meeting teams like Grace and Aquinas forever.

[sac]

They can make the drive, but Calvin has to agree to take the floor with them, too.

Sure the open dates matchup........or are you just making assumptions

[sac]

I know this is never a popular point here, but I think it is relevant today.  If Calvin just had 2 or 3 more in-region wins, they'd be in. 

I know Hope and Calvin have very good institutional reasons for playing all of those NAIA games, but if getting in the tournament is important, it's pretty clear the non-conference scheduling really, really hurts.

I respect both programs immensely and not here to question...but I do think the non-conference schedule topic is something to consider on a day like this.

Good luck to Hope in the tournament, and best wishes to the Calvin seniors.

This has been a point of debate on this board in the past but I could not agree with you more. I would like to see Hope (and Calvin) play more NCAA teams and let go of a few of there NAIA games, maybe just rotate who they play every two years if they do not want to end the tradition of meeting teams like Grace and Aquinas forever.

Calvin only played 4 out of division games........they played Lake Forest, Loras, Carthage and Lewis and Clark.........none of those game count, all are D3 and thats kind of ridiculous.

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They can make the drive, but Calvin has to agree to take the floor with them, too.

Sure the open dates matchup........or are you just making assumptions

Its a hypothetical at this point.

[oldknight]

I know this is never a popular point here, but I think it is relevant today.  If Calvin just had 2 or 3 more in-region wins, they'd be in. 

I know Hope and Calvin have very good institutional reasons for playing all of those NAIA games, but if getting in the tournament is important, it's pretty clear the non-conference scheduling really, really hurts.

I respect both programs immensely and not here to question...but I do think the non-conference schedule topic is something to consider on a day like this.

Good luck to Hope in the tournament, and best wishes to the Calvin seniors.

Good comments. If I was King at Calvin I would order the athletic director to bag the Select Bank Classic and attempt to organize an annual matchup with the OAC or NCAC. This could be along the lines of what is already done with the CCIW where Calvin and Hope travel outside of Michigan every other year thereby reducing the travel costs for all four schools. It would actually be more beneficial to the participating schools than the CCIW/MIAA challenge because it would instantly add two in-region games to everyone's schedule.

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I know this is never a popular point here, but I think it is relevant today.  If Calvin just had 2 or 3 more in-region wins, they'd be in. 

I know Hope and Calvin have very good institutional reasons for playing all of those NAIA games, but if getting in the tournament is important, it's pretty clear the non-conference scheduling really, really hurts.

I respect both programs immensely and not here to question...but I do think the non-conference schedule topic is something to consider on a day like this.

Good luck to Hope in the tournament, and best wishes to the Calvin seniors.

Good comments. If I was King at Calvin I would order the athletic director to bag the Select Bank Classic and attempt to organize an annual matchup with the OAC or NCAC. This could be along the lines of what is already done with the CCIW where Calvin and Hope travel outside of Michigan every other year thereby reducing the travel costs for all four schools. It would actually be more beneficial to the participating schools than the CCIW/MIAA challenge because it would instantly add two in-region games to everyone's schedule.

Until they build the bridge across Lake Michigan

[KnightSlappy]

I know this is never a popular point here, but I think it is relevant today.  If Calvin just had 2 or 3 more in-region wins, they'd be in. 

I know Hope and Calvin have very good institutional reasons for playing all of those NAIA games, but if getting in the tournament is important, it's pretty clear the non-conference scheduling really, really hurts.

I respect both programs immensely and not here to question...but I do think the non-conference schedule topic is something to consider on a day like this.

Good luck to Hope in the tournament, and best wishes to the Calvin seniors.

This has been a point of debate on this board in the past but I could not agree with you more. I would like to see Hope (and Calvin) play more NCAA teams and let go of a few of there NAIA games, maybe just rotate who they play every two years if they do not want to end the tradition of meeting teams like Grace and Aquinas forever.

Calvin only played 4 out of division games........they played Lake Forest, Loras, Carthage and Lewis and Clark.........none of those game count, all are D3 and thats kind of ridiculous.

And Wheaton.

[SKOT]

St Norbert has 2 gaurds (Taylor and Wipperfurth) and their center (Peterson) averaging double figures this season.   Peterson is also the team leader in 3's attempted and made.  

There are only 2 players on their roster over 6'5" and they, combined, only play 11 minutes a game.  

St. Norbert lists 7 Men's basketball coaches.  Unfortunately, they do not have a team picture to get an accurate number of "suits" involved with the team!

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I know this is never a popular point here, but I think it is relevant today.  If Calvin just had 2 or 3 more in-region wins, they'd be in.  

I know Hope and Calvin have very good institutional reasons for playing all of those NAIA games, but if getting in the tournament is important, it's pretty clear the non-conference scheduling really, really hurts.

I respect both programs immensely and not here to question...but I do think the non-conference schedule topic is something to consider on a day like this.

Good luck to Hope in the tournament, and best wishes to the Calvin seniors.

This has been a point of debate on this board in the past but I could not agree with you more. I would like to see Hope (and Calvin) play more NCAA teams and let go of a few of there NAIA games, maybe just rotate who they play every two years if they do not want to end the tradition of meeting teams like Grace and Aquinas forever.

Calvin only played 4 out of division games........they played Lake Forest, Loras, Carthage and Lewis and Clark.........none of those game count, all are D3 and thats kind of ridiculous.

quickly off the top of my head, the d3 teams they have played in their tip off tourney in the last 8 years or so that are out of region: Brockport State, Wash U, Whitworth, Concordia (WI), Lake Forest. All were wins that essentially counted for nothing. The NCAA process has faults (no kidding) but sometimes you have to be willing to acknowledge it and play by their game.

[KnightSlappy]

I know this is never a popular point here, but I think it is relevant today.  If Calvin just had 2 or 3 more in-region wins, they'd be in. 

I know Hope and Calvin have very good institutional reasons for playing all of those NAIA games, but if getting in the tournament is important, it's pretty clear the non-conference scheduling really, really hurts.

I respect both programs immensely and not here to question...but I do think the non-conference schedule topic is something to consider on a day like this.

Good luck to Hope in the tournament, and best wishes to the Calvin seniors.

Good comments. If I was King at Calvin I would order the athletic director to bag the Select Bank Classic and attempt to organize an annual matchup with the OAC or NCAC. This could be along the lines of what is already done with the CCIW where Calvin and Hope travel outside of Michigan every other year thereby reducing the travel costs for all four schools. It would actually be more beneficial to the participating schools than the CCIW/MIAA challenge because it would instantly add two in-region games to everyone's schedule.

Hope, Calvin, John Carroll, and Wooster could create an annual bloodbath in a wolverine/buckeye challenge. Those would be some must-see games.

Or maybe Calvin should team up with Adrian, and try to match up with Ohio Northern and Heidelberg every year.

[sac]

I know this is never a popular point here, but I think it is relevant today.  If Calvin just had 2 or 3 more in-region wins, they'd be in.  

I know Hope and Calvin have very good institutional reasons for playing all of those NAIA games, but if getting in the tournament is important, it's pretty clear the non-conference scheduling really, really hurts.

I respect both programs immensely and not here to question...but I do think the non-conference schedule topic is something to consider on a day like this.

Good luck to Hope in the tournament, and best wishes to the Calvin seniors.

This has been a point of debate on this board in the past but I could not agree with you more. I would like to see Hope (and Calvin) play more NCAA teams and let go of a few of there NAIA games, maybe just rotate who they play every two years if they do not want to end the tradition of meeting teams like Grace and Aquinas forever.

Calvin only played 4 out of division games........they played Lake Forest, Loras, Carthage and Lewis and Clark.........none of those game count, all are D3 and thats kind of ridiculous.

quickly off the top of my head, the d3 teams they have played in their tip off tourney in the last 8 years or so that are out of region: Brockport State, Wash U, Whitworth, Concordia (WI), Lake Forest. All were wins that essentially counted for nothing. The NCAA process has faults (no kidding) but sometimes you have to be willing to acknowledge it and play by their game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but KVS has also publicly acknowledged the difficulty Calvin has in finding in-region games.

He didn't whine on hoopsville about it and accuse other schools of ducking him without providing proof either.