MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Titan Q]

Calvin only played 4 out of division games........they played Lake Forest, Loras, Carthage and Lewis and Clark.........none of those game count, all are D3 and thats kind of ridiculous.

Well, yes, I agree - all D3 games should count.  But they don't...and it has been this way for years.  And everyone knows going in what the rules are.

[almcguirejr]

St. Norbert lists 7 Men's basketball coaches.  Unfortunately, they do not have a team picture to get an accurate number of "suits" involved with the team!

They should be evenly matched with Hope

[ziggy]

I know this is never a popular point here, but I think it is relevant today.  If Calvin just had 2 or 3 more in-region wins, they'd be in.  

I know Hope and Calvin have very good institutional reasons for playing all of those NAIA games, but if getting in the tournament is important, it's pretty clear the non-conference scheduling really, really hurts.

I respect both programs immensely and not here to question...but I do think the non-conference schedule topic is something to consider on a day like this.

Good luck to Hope in the tournament, and best wishes to the Calvin seniors.

This has been a point of debate on this board in the past but I could not agree with you more. I would like to see Hope (and Calvin) play more NCAA teams and let go of a few of there NAIA games, maybe just rotate who they play every two years if they do not want to end the tradition of meeting teams like Grace and Aquinas forever.

Calvin only played 4 out of division games........they played Lake Forest, Loras, Carthage and Lewis and Clark.........none of those game count, all are D3 and thats kind of ridiculous.

quickly off the top of my head, the d3 teams they have played in their tip off tourney in the last 8 years or so that are out of region: Brockport State, Wash U, Whitworth, Concordia (WI), Lake Forest. All were wins that essentially counted for nothing. The NCAA process has faults (no kidding) but sometimes you have to be willing to acknowledge it and play by their game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but KVS has also publicly acknowledged the difficulty Calvin has in finding in-region games.

He didn't whine on hoopsville about it and accuse other schools of ducking him without providing proof either.

Anderson results vs. MIAA:
Won @ Alma by 4
Beat Kzoo by 2
Beat Trine by 12

[ziggy]

While the season ends with some disappointment for me, I did enjoy this season very much. My connection has been and will always be through Calvin but I became a much bigger fan of division III basketball in general this year. I appreciate having a place to share that passion with others and look forward to following this tournament, even as a neutral observer.

[oldknight]

I know this is never a popular point here, but I think it is relevant today.  If Calvin just had 2 or 3 more in-region wins, they'd be in.  

I know Hope and Calvin have very good institutional reasons for playing all of those NAIA games, but if getting in the tournament is important, it's pretty clear the non-conference scheduling really, really hurts.

I respect both programs immensely and not here to question...but I do think the non-conference schedule topic is something to consider on a day like this.

Good luck to Hope in the tournament, and best wishes to the Calvin seniors.

This has been a point of debate on this board in the past but I could not agree with you more. I would like to see Hope (and Calvin) play more NCAA teams and let go of a few of there NAIA games, maybe just rotate who they play every two years if they do not want to end the tradition of meeting teams like Grace and Aquinas forever.

Calvin only played 4 out of division games........they played Lake Forest, Loras, Carthage and Lewis and Clark.........none of those game count, all are D3 and thats kind of ridiculous.

quickly off the top of my head, the d3 teams they have played in their tip off tourney in the last 8 years or so that are out of region: Brockport State, Wash U, Whitworth, Concordia (WI), Lake Forest. All were wins that essentially counted for nothing. The NCAA process has faults (no kidding) but sometimes you have to be willing to acknowledge it and play by their game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but KVS has also publicly acknowledged the difficulty Calvin has in finding in-region games.

He didn't whine on hoopsville about it and accuse other schools of ducking him without providing proof either.

Anderson results vs. MIAA:
Won @ Alma by 4
Beat Kzoo by 2
Beat Trine by 12

Yup; with results like that I can see why Calvin, et. al., would duck Anderson. The Knights couldn't possibly match up with the Ravens.

[section7]

Thoughts from VNA:

I planned to write this on Saturday night, after my return from VNA, but decided to give it a fews day to ponder.

As I watched the post game celebration by Hope, I couldn't help but think of the road Ty Tanis has traveled this year.  Here is a kid who was a great high school basketball player, who came to Hope with very high expectations, and provided some great spark and output his freshman year.  Since then, Ty has seen his minutes, productivity and contribution on the floor reduced and lessened.  However, if you watched closely this year, here was a young man who kept his head up, encouraged his teammates, whether during starting lineups, timeouts or as fellow teammates came to the bench.

Fast forward to Saturday night....................Hope struggling to score, enter Ty Tanis, what a few moments, as he makes two 3-pointers to jump start the Dutchmen and help propel them to a MIAA tourney championship.  The scene as he left the floor to greet his teammates (a role reversal) was priceless!

I had a coach in high school, who had the saying, you are only a broken shoelace away from being in the game.  Ty Tanis should be acknowledged and commended for his attitude and fortitude this year, and when his moment to shine came, he shined brightly.

Lessons Ty has learned this year will carry with him no matter what vocation or career path he chooses after college.

I have met Ty on a few occasions, but don't know him personally.  But today, I say WELL DONE TY TANIS!

[Pat Coleman]

He didn't whine on hoopsville about it and accuse other schools of ducking him without providing proof either.

No, but coming out and saying something publicly about it without having the truth behind him would be fairly stupid. This isn't some fan coming out and saying, "well, we've tried to schedule those games but nobody will play us." This is a head coach saying that, and naming names.

I thought it was bold, maybe a little foolish, but he definitely threw the gauntlet down.

[sac]

I know this is never a popular point here, but I think it is relevant today.  If Calvin just had 2 or 3 more in-region wins, they'd be in.  

I know Hope and Calvin have very good institutional reasons for playing all of those NAIA games, but if getting in the tournament is important, it's pretty clear the non-conference scheduling really, really hurts.

I respect both programs immensely and not here to question...but I do think the non-conference schedule topic is something to consider on a day like this.

Good luck to Hope in the tournament, and best wishes to the Calvin seniors.

This has been a point of debate on this board in the past but I could not agree with you more. I would like to see Hope (and Calvin) play more NCAA teams and let go of a few of there NAIA games, maybe just rotate who they play every two years if they do not want to end the tradition of meeting teams like Grace and Aquinas forever.

Calvin only played 4 out of division games........they played Lake Forest, Loras, Carthage and Lewis and Clark.........none of those game count, all are D3 and thats kind of ridiculous.

quickly off the top of my head, the d3 teams they have played in their tip off tourney in the last 8 years or so that are out of region: Brockport State, Wash U, Whitworth, Concordia (WI), Lake Forest. All were wins that essentially counted for nothing. The NCAA process has faults (no kidding) but sometimes you have to be willing to acknowledge it and play by their game.

Calvin also brought Baldwin-Wallace in last season for their tip-off tournament and were beaten by both Spring Arbor and Grace Bible.

[Pat Coleman]

In addition to the OAC and NCAC, remember the entire HCAC is in-region.

[sac]

In addition to the OAC and NCAC, remember the entire HCAC is in-region.

He didn't whine on hoopsville about it and accuse other schools of ducking him without providing proof either.

No, but coming out and saying something publicly about it without having the truth behind him would be fairly stupid. This isn't some fan coming out and saying, "well, we've tried to schedule those games but nobody will play us." This is a head coach saying that, and naming names.

I thought it was bold, maybe a little foolish, but he definitely threw the gauntlet down.

yes, and 7 of the 9 are a long way away

[ziggy]

quickly off the top of my head, the d3 teams they have played in their tip off tourney in the last 8 years or so that are out of region: Brockport State, Wash U, Whitworth, Concordia (WI), Lake Forest. All were wins that essentially counted for nothing. The NCAA process has faults (no kidding) but sometimes you have to be willing to acknowledge it and play by their game.

Calvin also brought Baldwin-Wallace in last season for their tip-off tournament and were beaten by both Spring Arbor and Grace Bible.

True, last year Calvin missed on another in-region game because of the tournament set up when they beat Geneva (didn't count as region because of their provisional status) and Rockford at Defiance.

[sac]

quickly off the top of my head, the d3 teams they have played in their tip off tourney in the last 8 years or so that are out of region: Brockport State, Wash U, Whitworth, Concordia (WI), Lake Forest. All were wins that essentially counted for nothing. The NCAA process has faults (no kidding) but sometimes you have to be willing to acknowledge it and play by their game.

Calvin also brought Baldwin-Wallace in last season for their tip-off tournament and were beaten by both Spring Arbor and Grace Bible.

True, last year Calvin missed on another in-region game because of the tournament set up when they beat Geneva (didn't count as region because of their provisional status) and Rockford at Defiance.

Didn't help that Rockford who was absolutely terrible the year before beat Defiance and set up the championship game with Rockford.

[Pat Coleman]

In addition to the OAC and NCAC, remember the entire HCAC is in-region.

He didn't whine on hoopsville about it and accuse other schools of ducking him without providing proof either.

No, but coming out and saying something publicly about it without having the truth behind him would be fairly stupid. This isn't some fan coming out and saying, "well, we've tried to schedule those games but nobody will play us." This is a head coach saying that, and naming names.

I thought it was bold, maybe a little foolish, but he definitely threw the gauntlet down.

yes, and 7 of the 9 are a long way away

I understand that you don't think schools should have to travel. I wonder if Calvin sees yet that getting an at-large bid into the NCAA's tournament means you just might have to.

[Titan Q]

No, but coming out and saying something publicly about it without having the truth behind him would be fairly stupid. This isn't some fan coming out and saying, "well, we've tried to schedule those games but nobody will play us." This is a head coach saying that, and naming names.

I thought it was bold, maybe a little foolish, but he definitely threw the gauntlet down.

My concern with his statements is the fact that he suggested the other teams were scared to play Anderson basically.  A lot of times, the dates don't work, or the other team just doesn't have an open game.

He mentioned Illinois Wesleyan too.  IWU plays Wash U every year for pete's sake...scheduled perennial 20-win Trinity at their place this year (who knew 2 years ago Trinity would be down)...plays Chicago every year...etc.  IWU isn't dodging Anderson...that I am sure of.

For that reason, I thought his comments were out-of-line.  He has no idea why those other schools said "no."

[sac]

In addition to the OAC and NCAC, remember the entire HCAC is in-region.

He didn't whine on hoopsville about it and accuse other schools of ducking him without providing proof either.

No, but coming out and saying something publicly about it without having the truth behind him would be fairly stupid. This isn't some fan coming out and saying, "well, we've tried to schedule those games but nobody will play us." This is a head coach saying that, and naming names.

I thought it was bold, maybe a little foolish, but he definitely threw the gauntlet down.

yes, and 7 of the 9 are a long way away

I understand that you don't think schools should have to travel. I wonder if Calvin sees yet that getting an at-large bid into the NCAA's tournament means you just might have to.

At some point Pat, fiscal responsibility, responsibility to your players and their education has to outweigh your desire to take your team 5 or 6 hours away to play a single game.

There are schools that aren't willing to do that, you should respect that because it should be a bigger part of the D3 philosophy.

Unfortunately you come across as someone who thinks scheduling is easy and is strictly a one way street.   You've continued to be unwilling to understand the issues and obstacles that some schools face when putting together a basketball schedule.

Its not easy Pat, never has been.