MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[GoKnights68]

Busy board today! 

[Pat Coleman]

In addition to the OAC and NCAC, remember the entire HCAC is in-region.

He didn't whine on hoopsville about it and accuse other schools of ducking him without providing proof either.

No, but coming out and saying something publicly about it without having the truth behind him would be fairly stupid. This isn't some fan coming out and saying, "well, we've tried to schedule those games but nobody will play us." This is a head coach saying that, and naming names.

I thought it was bold, maybe a little foolish, but he definitely threw the gauntlet down.

yes, and 7 of the 9 are a long way away

I understand that you don't think schools should have to travel. I wonder if Calvin sees yet that getting an at-large bid into the NCAA's tournament means you just might have to.

At some point Pat, fiscal responsibility, responsibility to your players and their education has to outweigh your desire to take your team 5 or 6 hours away to play a single game.

There are schools that aren't willing to do that, you should respect that because it should be a bigger part of the D3 philosophy.

Unfortunately you come across as someone who thinks scheduling is easy and is strictly a one way street.   You've continued to be unwilling to understand the issues and obstacles that some schools face when putting together a basketball schedule.

Its not easy Pat, never has been.

I am sure you see me as that way. But I am looking at it from the neutral perspective that the current system has been in place for 10 years -- and twice it has been augmented to make it easier for schools to comply.

If it's Calvin's choice, so be it. But fans should be aware of what it takes to make the tournament as an at-large bid and understand that it's not the system's fault Calvin doesn't get in, if that's the choice.

You should take your anti-Pat Coleman bias down a notch and take a hard look at what I'm actually saying, rather than what you read into it. I don't think I am nearly what you say I am. Maybe I was in 2003, but not anymore.

[Titan Q]

I honestly think there are several teams out there willing to play Calvin, where travel wouldn't be that bad.  They could do a home & home with Elmhurst (Mark Scherer isn't afraid to play good teams) or Chicago (look at who Mike McGrath plays every year - great non-conference schedules).  I think those are in-region candidates?  (Although I know Wheaton is like 202 miles, so I am not positive.)  I'm sure there are several others, but just a couple ideas.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

He didn't whine on hoopsville about it and accuse other schools of ducking him without providing proof either.

No, but coming out and saying something publicly about it without having the truth behind him would be fairly stupid. This isn't some fan coming out and saying, "well, we've tried to schedule those games but nobody will play us." This is a head coach saying that, and naming names.

I thought it was bold, maybe a little foolish, but he definitely threw the gauntlet down.

I obviously don't know enough to know about Anderson in this situation but based on the Anderson's comments it does remind me of Boise State in I-A football. Boise State has essentially thrown down the same gauntlet in its attempts to get the BCS programs to schedule them.
It's an interesting approach but one that may be necessary in some cases.

[ziggy]

At some point Pat, fiscal responsibility, responsibility to your players and their education has to outweigh your desire to take your team 5 or 6 hours away to play a single game.

There are schools that aren't willing to do that, you should respect that because it should be a bigger part of the D3 philosophy.

Unfortunately you come across as someone who thinks scheduling is easy and is strictly a one way street.   You've continued to be unwilling to understand the issues and obstacles that some schools face when putting together a basketball schedule.

Its not easy Pat, never has been.

This will continue until the collapse of the NAIA.

[sac]

I honestly think there are several teams out there willing to play Calvin, where travel wouldn't be that bad.  They could do a home & home with Elmhurst (Mark Scherer isn't afraid to play good teams) or Chicago (look at who Mike McGrath plays every year - great non-conference schedules).  I think those are in-region candidates?  (Although I know Wheaton is like 202 miles, so I am not positive.)  I'm sure there are several others, but just a couple ideas.

Elmhurst wouldn't be

[ziggy]

He didn't whine on hoopsville about it and accuse other schools of ducking him without providing proof either.

No, but coming out and saying something publicly about it without having the truth behind him would be fairly stupid. This isn't some fan coming out and saying, "well, we've tried to schedule those games but nobody will play us." This is a head coach saying that, and naming names.

I thought it was bold, maybe a little foolish, but he definitely threw the gauntlet down.

I obviously don't know enough to know about Anderson in this situation but based on the Anderson's comments it does remind me of Boise State in I-A football. Boise State has essentially thrown down the same gauntlet in its attempts to get the BCS programs to schedule them.
It's an interesting approach but one that may be necessary in some cases.

Boise St at least has BCS appearances and wins over Oklahoma and Oregon. They have ground to stand on when making a statement about schools avoiding them. There is no reason, other than distance and scheduling, that any team should fear taking on Anderson.

[KnightSlappy]

I honestly think there are several teams out there willing to play Calvin, where travel wouldn't be that bad.  They could do a home & home with Elmhurst (Mark Scherer isn't afraid to play good teams) or Chicago (look at who Mike McGrath plays every year - great non-conference schedules).  I think those are in-region candidates?  (Although I know Wheaton is like 202 miles, so I am not positive.)  I'm sure there are several others, but just a couple ideas.

Elmhurst wouldn't be

Elmhurst to Calvin is 202 miles, but Calvin to Elmhurst is 198. Calvin will have to play on the road every year.  

[sac]

You should take your anti-Pat Coleman bias down a notch

good grief 

[Pat Coleman]

Results
From: CALVIN COLLEGE
To: ELMHURST COLLEGE
Miles: 198.0

From: ELMHURST COLLEGE
To: CALVIN COLLEGE
Miles: 202.0

I would definitely ask for clarification from the NCAA on that game.

Sac -- roll your eyes in public but in private you know how you feel.

[GoKnights68]

KVS has always emphasized the importance of the MIAA tournament to his team, and I am sure he tells his players all season to not want to ever rely on an at-large bid to get in the division 3 ncaa tourney.  I don't really think he is doing much complaining at all today.  He even said after Wednesday's win over Alma that he didn't think they had a chance to get an at-large bid if they don't win the tournament.  

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Elmhurst to Calvin is 202 miles, but Calvin to Elmhurst is 198. Calvin will have to play on the road every year.  

Either that or find some "in-region" Puerto Rican schools to go play.

[KnightSlappy]

We've said it before, but an easy fix for regional games would be an adjacent state rule.

Elmhurst to Calvin is 202 miles, but Calvin to Elmhurst is 198. Calvin will have to play on the road every year. 

Either that or find some "in-region" Puerto Rican schools to go play.

Good point! How do we sign them up for D3?

[ChicagoHopeNut]

KVS has always emphasized the importance of the MIAA tournament to his team, and I am sure he tells his players all season to not want to ever rely on an at-large bid to get in the division 3 ncaa tourney.  I don't really think he is doing much complaining at all today.  He even said after Wednesday's win over Alma that he didn't think they had a chance to get an at-large bid if they don't win the tournament.  

Agreed. As was mentioned on this board a week ago Hope had the better pool C resume and the MIAA was more likely to get two teams had Calvin won the tournament.

I think this conversation centers around the MIAA's age old question of could the teams do more with their non-conference schedule to aid their Pool C resume should they not win the MIAA tourney. I agree the best approach is to take care of business and just win the MIAA tourney but the reality is every year only one team can do that so why not consider scheduling in such a manner as to aid your Pool C resume?

[KnightSlappy]

KVS has always emphasized the importance of the MIAA tournament to his team, and I am sure he tells his players all season to not want to ever rely on an at-large bid to get in the division 3 ncaa tourney.  I don't really think he is doing much complaining at all today.  He even said after Wednesday's win over Alma that he didn't think they had a chance to get an at-large bid if they don't win the tournament. 

Agreed. As was mentioned on this board a week ago Hope had the better pool C resume and the MIAA was more likely to get two teams had Calvin won the tournament.

I think this conversation centers around the MIAA's age old question of could the teams do more with their non-conference schedule to aid their Pool C resume should they not win the MIAA tourney. I agree the best approach is to take care of business and just win the MIAA tourney but the reality is every year only one team can do that so why not consider scheduling in such a manner as to aid your Pool C resume?

As CalvinChelseaMom points out above, basketball is not life for these kids (even if it IS for us fans!). Perhaps KVS feels that it's in the players best interest to keep travel time down and risk missing a Pool C, rather than travel 250-ish miles for another in region game.