MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[realist]

KVS was better than most at reading the writting on the wall last week already.  Give him credit for that.   I understand the point CC MOM made as well.  It is just a game, and other things are way more important.
Over the past few years Calvin has traveled to exotic places like CA, NJ, CO, and this past season to AZ over the Christmas break.  Enough with the Calvin won't travel nonsense.  It wouln't cost much more (if at all) to travel to Anderson, or most of the OAC or NCAC schools than it does to get to Carthage.
If Calvin wants to change the situation they have found themselves in these past 2 years it is within their power to do so.  As a Calvin fan and supporter I have urged tham to do so, but if it doesn't happen I can live with that.

[NW Hope Fan]

Both Hope and Calvin were not worthy of getting in the Tourney this year.  Like the NCAC both conferences were very weak this year, more than normal.  Period, no ifs ands or buts about it.    Now, Hope will beat St Norbert, after that they'll be at home cause no way they beat UWSP. 


Like Srgt' Slaughter.....and that's an order!  lol...

seriously though, it will end for them there. 

at least Hope and Calvin could beat Albion...

Yeah... So there!!!  

[ziggy]

Both Hope and Calvin were not worthy of getting in the Tourney this year.  Like the NCAC both conferences were very weak this year, more than normal.  Period, no ifs ands or buts about it.    Now, Hope will beat St Norbert, after that they'll be at home cause no way they beat UWSP. 


Like Srgt' Slaughter.....and that's an order!  lol...

seriously though, it will end for them there. 

Is this an example of a Wooster education?

[Hopester]

There would have been a way to settle a couple of issues. Hope could have played - and crushed - Anderson in the first round, in Kenosha, and the Tommies could have gone to Point. It would have made more sense in travel for both teams.

To bad this didn't happen, we could have settled this argument once and for all... I do feel bad for all Calvin fans in the sense that Anderson is a garbage team and should not have made the tournament. They will get destroyed by St. Thomas. I wish we could have played them to show actually how strong the MIAA overall is as a conference this year, I feel like they do not get the support nationally that the deserved.

As for Hope, when we destroy St. Norbert, we will have to most likely play UWSP, a team we figured on playing three years ago when we last made the trip to Stevens Point. That will be a tough game, and if the Dutchmen can get through that game, a final four berth is not out of the question... Looking at this bracket, I think Hope had a great draw and could make a serious run based on the potential matchups.

[Hopester]

Both Hope and Calvin were not worthy of getting in the Tourney this year.  Like the NCAC both conferences were very weak this year, more than normal.  Period, no ifs ands or buts about it.    Now, Hope will beat St Norbert, after that they'll be at home cause no way they beat UWSP. 


Like Srgt' Slaughter.....and that's an order!  lol...

seriously though, it will end for them there. 

Big mistake my man, big mistake

[KnightSlappy]

KVS was better than most at reading the writting on the wall last week already.  Give him credit for that.   I understand the point CC MOM made as well.  It is just a game, and other things are way more important.
Over the past few years Calvin has traveled to exotic places like CA, NJ, CO, and this past season to AZ over the Christmas break.  Enough with the Calvin won't travel nonsense.  It wouln't cost much more (if at all) to travel to Anderson, or most of the OAC or NCAC schools than it does to get to Carthage.
If Calvin wants to change the situation they have found themselves in these past 2 years it is within their power to do so.  As a Calvin fan and supporter I have urged tham to do so, but if it doesn't happen I can live with that.

I don't think it's just the cost ($) of traveling, I think it's the cost (time) of traveling. During the Christmas break the students-athletes don't have the same academic requirements hanging over them, so they do a travel tournament. The benefit of the CCIW games is that the rotation allows each school to stay close to home every other year while still getting two quality opponents.

It would be nice to see a similar arrangement with some Ohio or Indiana schools. I don't need to see Aquinas twice in a year.

[Gregory Sager]

I honestly think there are several teams out there willing to play Calvin, where travel wouldn't be that bad.  They could do a home & home with Elmhurst (Mark Scherer isn't afraid to play good teams) or Chicago (look at who Mike McGrath plays every year - great non-conference schedules).  I think those are in-region candidates?  (Although I know Wheaton is like 202 miles, so I am not positive.)  I'm sure there are several others, but just a couple ideas.

I know that North Park head coach Paul Brenegan is a lot more open to playing Hope and Calvin than his predecessor was. (His predecessor and his women's basketball coaching colleague turned down the opportunity to have NPU be a part of the CCIW/MIAA Challenge, which is why Carthage became Wheaton's CCIW partner in that annual event.) I even mentioned it to GVW during the '07 regionals in Aurora, and he told me that he'd love to play North Park. I don't know why it hasn't happened yet, but I do know that NPU has had some scheduling difficulties over the past couple of years. Last season three of the schools with whom NPU has multi-year contracts (Loras, Concordia WI, and Edgewood) had to back out due to an inability to find common open dates, forcing the Vikings to play a downgraded sked against the likes of Trinity International, East-West, and Spalding. Perhaps these sorts of problems are what's holding back NPU from playing the two MIAA schools -- although the Vikings have managed to play Trine the past three seasons.

North Park is within 200 miles of both Hope and Calvin.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

It would be nice to see a similar arrangement with some Ohio or Indiana schools. I don't need to see Aquinas twice in a year.

Amen!

[almcguirejr]

He didn't whine on hoopsville about it and accuse other schools of ducking him without providing proof either.

No, but coming out and saying something publicly about it without having the truth behind him would be fairly stupid. This isn't some fan coming out and saying, "well, we've tried to schedule those games but nobody will play us." This is a head coach saying that, and naming names.

I thought it was bold, maybe a little foolish, but he definitely threw the gauntlet down.

Anderson has been very mediocre the last few years.  They were 39-40 over the last 3 years.  Coach Slyder was 47-58 in his first 4 years there.  Based on the past record maybe Calvin and Hope saw little to be gained by playing them.

[oldknight]

It would be nice to see a similar arrangement with some Ohio or Indiana schools. I don't need to see Aquinas twice in a year.

Amen!

Nor Cornerstone once.

[WooHoopsntrack01]

You all's comments were mostly-
a) At least we beat Albion
b) Woo education (which I didn't get)

Tough to respond to those?  Lol...

Look, you all DON'T PLAY ANYONE OTHER THAN YOURSELVES.  Consider it a shame that instead of traveling to play teams, you both played Carthage and Wheaton of which you split.  Other than those games, you played one another what 4 or 5 times, lol.  Come on, even you have to laugh at that.  Yes you had some d2's but its a bit cowardly to load up with those schools and not be hurt with in region losses you think or playing tough d3 schools.  I know its a tradition, but still, come on you can do better than that can't cha?

With all due respect to your programs, the truth is the truth.  Without one another, your schedules are man, you just don't play anyone.  The MIAA is weak outside of you two, which truly is not much different than the NCAC.  However, look who WOO had and could have potentially played....Macon, Wash U, JCU, St Thomas, Witt, Transy, and NCW.  Every year you play soft schedules and that's why you struggle so much in the NCAA Tourney.  I honestly think if you played better comp you'd be ready and go a lot farther to be honest.  

Concluding, my statement remains the same.  You will lose to Maryville.  And, lets say that you don't.  Guess who awaits??  Yeah you guessed it, lol.  Neither of our teams will win it all though, lol.  But hey, gotta keep the NCAC MIAA dislike going right  

[Flying Dutch Fan]

It would be nice to see a similar arrangement with some Ohio or Indiana schools. I don't need to see Aquinas twice in a year.

Amen!

Word on the street (which I thought was common knowledge) is that the Select a Bank tourney has one year left - so that AQ can host once in their new building.    I have also heard rumor that it may be replaced  for Hope & Calvin with an Ohio version (NCAC or OAC) of the MIAA/CCIW challenge.

[ziggy]

You all's comments were mostly-
a) At least we beat Albion
b) Woo education (which I didn't get)

I sincerely hope that you mean you didn't understand rather than you didn't get a Wooster education.

[almcguirejr]

Word on the street (which I thought was common knowledge) is that the Select a Bank tourney has one year left - so that AQ can host once in their new building.    I have also heard rumor that it may be replaced  for Hope & Clavin with an Ohio version (NCAC or OAC) of the MIAA/CCIW challenge.

Are you talking about Cliff? 

As Carla once said, "go stick that in your Clavin"

[calvin_grad]

Every year you play soft schedules and that's why you struggle so much in the NCAA Tourney.

Better to stay quiet and people think you're a fool than open your mouth (or type at your keyboard) and remove all doubt.   

2000 - Calvin National Champion
2001 - Calvin loses in second round
2002 - Hope loses in second round
2003 - Hope loses in second round
2004 - Calvin loses in second round
2005 - Calvin 3rd place
2006 - Hope loses in sweet 16, Calvin loses to Hope in second round
2007 - Hope loses in Elite 8
2008 - Hope 3rd place
2009 - Hope loses in first round

I think there are probably a lot of schools and conferences that would take the MIAA's "struggles."