MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[ChicagoHopeNut]

It'd be great to see the MIAA get two teams in next year. Has the MIAA ever managed to get three in in one year?

Never three in one season.  I think the only way that would happen would be 1)  strong non conference performance for the entire league 2) Two very dominant teams atop the league and 3)  another team, 3-seed or lower, stealing the AQ by winning the league tournament. 

I don't foresee this as a possibility in 2010-11.

I don't see it happening next year but getting 3 teams is certainly possible but it does require the lower half of the MIAA to have stronger non-conference performances.

ODAC got 4 teams in this year and is only the #5 conference according to Massey. Two conferences got 3 teams (CAC and CCIW).

The most likely scenario is what you said. You'd have to have two teams in the top 3 regional rankings and then have a third team get the automatic bid.

[Dutchmen 4 Life]

Being familiar with some fine Wooster foks I know that to be true. Some people on this board can get a bit prickly at times but you've got to irritate more than just MIAA posters to develop a -17 karma ranking in fewer than 40 posts. That's got to be some sort of record.

Actually, 2 of the worst Karma/post ratios (at least 1,000 posts ) reside on the MIAC football board.

AO:  -856 Karma on 1025 posts

and the record for absolute number of -K may well be:

Touchdown Tommy: -1676 Karma on 2,808 posts.

There is definitely room at the bottom for WooHooFlungPoo if he keeps up this pace. 

Not that it is hurting my feelings or anything but since the subject has been recently brought up, is there a reason that my karma rating right now is at a -100% (-6 one 6 post)...now 7.  I know a few of my post have been a bit controversial but I don't think that I come onto this board looking for trouble?  Just a question for a more seasoned poster.

I reviewed every one of your 7 posts and can't answer your question. There's nothing in them that should be offensive to anyone. It's been my experience that it's not always easy to understand why a particular post draws some smite. I've been left scratching my head more than once on mine. Every poster has his or her own threshold for giving applause or smite. Personally, I give far more applause to posters and only offer smite to posts that are exceptionally offensive or stupid--and they usually must be done in a series. I can count on one hand the amount of negative karma I've passed out since the first of the year.
BTW: +k for asking the question.

Totally agree.  Rarely do I ever smite.  What always makes me laugh is when you get into a bit of a disagreement with certain posters and come back later to see your karma has taken a hit.  Like that's going to make me lay off?  Right.    I'm much more generous with handing out +k than I am about smiting. 

BTW, +k from me as well Dutchmen. 

Thanks for the feedback.  I don't mind negative Karma once in a while and it is totally understandable in certain cases.  I just wanted to make sure I wasn't stirring up to much trouble because that is not my intention.  I find this board very entertaining and a good source of information from other perspectives.  Thanks again and happy off season to all!

[calvin_grad]

Looking towards next year, it would seem Hope is the favorite.  They return 4 of 5 starters and also most of their key contributors off the bench.  

Things can obviously change between now and November, but I would agree.  I think Hope is easily the pre-season favorite, and there will be quite a battle for spots 2-5.

[oldknight]

Looking towards next year, it would seem Hope is the favorite.  They return 4 of 5 starters and also most of their key contributors off the bench.  

Things can obviously change between now and November, but I would agree.  I think Hope is easily the pre-season favorite, and there will be quite a battle for spots 2-5.

I don't know about that. Olivet returns their top three players, McClary (conference MVP), Evans and Jennings, a combined total of 45 points per game. That's a pretty good start on a D3 basketball team. The Comets also return Post and Edsall, and both were capable players this past season.

[thealmascots]

Looking towards next year, it would seem Hope is the favorite.  They return 4 of 5 starters and also most of their key contributors off the bench.  

Things can obviously change between now and November, but I would agree.  I think Hope is easily the pre-season favorite, and there will be quite a battle for spots 2-5.

I don't know about that. Olivet returns their top three players, McClary (conference MVP), Evans and Jennings, a combined total of 45 points per game. That's a pretty good start on a D3 basketball team. The Comets also return Post and Edsall, and both were capable players this past season.

I agree with your comments about Olivet, but I saw them three times and feel like they should have made a run this year.  I felt like Olivet and Calvin had the most talent in the league this year.  Until I see them bring it every game and not lose to teams with inferior talent with such regularity, I can't hop on a Olivet band-wagon.  However, I'm not going to say it couldn't happen.  It's 2010/2011 or never with Olivet.  They won't have a player like McClary (with a good cast) very often.

[hoopdreams]

In response to the possible reason's why Hope did not win Friday, possibly beat a hardly dominant Stevens-Point team the next night and potentially host this weekend had nothing to do with turnovers (most of them were simply poor decisions, not "forced" by Norberts, bad shot selection, poor execution offensively, intentional foul(s),Bunn's "illness" which should have been taken care of with nearly a week to recover with IV's, gatorade or some sort of electrolyte replacement, good ol' h2o, multi-vitamins, fruit and red meat.....)

Hope lost because they did not defend in the second half.  Giving up nearly 50 points in a half to a team that scored 58 the next night was not going to get it done.  Norbert's guards were able to penetrate into the paint at will and they made great decisions, Hope did not close out on perimeter shooters especially on the masked man, and they allowed Norbert to make catch after catch in the paint, never doubled down to force a decision to be made and continually let the big fella drop step middle for his little baby hook.

As poorly as Hope played and it was really bad at times, they still had chances to pull it out.  Hope missed shots that I wouldn't say were forced, Snuggs jumpers from the elbow come to mind.  It was not a bad shot, simply a shot he had rarely taken all season.  I give him tons of credit for not hesitating.  One could say that Hope settled for jumpers but these were the same shots taken all year, they simply didn't fall.  Huge disparity at the FT line simply because Norbert made the decision at half to get into the paint and they did.

Norbert was more aggressive in crunch time, they really made Hope work defensively, with all of the great screens that were set the entire game, and they looked to be in far better condition.  possibly something to be said for hotel sleep 2 nights vs. your own bed???  No excuse though.  Hopefully the returning players will use this weekend as motivation for the next 8 months and beyond.  I'm not convinced that Norbert was the better team but they were friday night.  This one hurts ...

[HopeConvert]

I agree with OK that we shouldn't be so quick to discount Olivet for next year, especially if they can play with a bit more consistency. Same is true of Calvin. If the MIAA can turn it up next year against non-conference foes, we could be looking at getting 3 teams into the tourney. I think Hope will be fine on the offensive end, depending on who backs up Krombeen, but they'll have to step up their defense. One should never discount Albion, and I think Adiran will be improved as well. I expect a pretty tough conference season next year, and am hoping for a non-conference result above .500.

[KnightSlappy]

I don't see three bids any time soon out of the MIAA. It would be nice to see the league get back to the level of having two teams in year in and year out.

I'm hoping for a .500 or better record in the non-conference. I haven't done any math on it, but 0.600 may be required before we can really think about a third bid.

[northb]

I was at the women's game watching stats on an Ipod last night, so could only follow based on quick scattered updates. Based on the way the last 2 minutes played out online, was Hope's problem at the end sloppy ball control? The online updates gave the impression that we were turning the ball over and giving up easy shots or commiting silly fouls. Was that what actually played out, for those who were there?

Also, +100 karma to anyone who comes up with a video link of the Albertus Magnus - William Patterson finish. That sounds like a wild one to see.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/12/08/buzzer-beater-watch.html

Please make the karma check out to northb.

that's north with a b on it

[northb]

It'd be great to see the MIAA get two teams in next year. Has the MIAA ever managed to get three in in one year?

Never three in one season.  I think the only way that would happen would be 1)  strong non conference performance for the entire league 2) Two very dominant teams atop the league and 3)  another team, 3-seed or lower, stealing the AQ by winning the league tournament. 

I don't foresee this as a possibility in 2010-11.

I don't see it happening next year but getting 3 teams is certainly possible but it does require the lower half of the MIAA to have stronger non-conference performances.

ODAC got 4 teams in this year and is only the #5 conference according to Massey. Two conferences got 3 teams (CAC and CCIW).

The most likely scenario is what you said. You'd have to have two teams in the top 3 regional rankings and then have a third team get the automatic bid.

It seems like 3 teams at the top of the league beating up on each other creates an in-region record that knocks the team out of contention.  Look at Calvin-if I understand correctly, they were 14-1 in-region if you discount the other team that made the NCAA's from their own league (i.e., Hope, which took 3 of 4, grrr).  How did the ODAC get that many teams in without playing each other right out of the tournament?

[Mr. Ypsi]

It'd be great to see the MIAA get two teams in next year. Has the MIAA ever managed to get three in in one year?

Never three in one season.  I think the only way that would happen would be 1)  strong non conference performance for the entire league 2) Two very dominant teams atop the league and 3)  another team, 3-seed or lower, stealing the AQ by winning the league tournament.  

I don't foresee this as a possibility in 2010-11.

I don't see it happening next year but getting 3 teams is certainly possible but it does require the lower half of the MIAA to have stronger non-conference performances.

ODAC got 4 teams in this year and is only the #5 conference according to Massey. Two conferences got 3 teams (CAC and CCIW).

The most likely scenario is what you said. You'd have to have two teams in the top 3 regional rankings and then have a third team get the automatic bid.

It seems like 3 teams at the top of the league beating up on each other creates an in-region record that knocks the team out of contention.  Look at Calvin-if I understand correctly, they were 14-1 in-region if you discount the other team that made the NCAA's from their own league (i.e., Hope, which took 3 of 4, grrr).  How did the ODAC get that many teams in without playing each other right out of the tournament?

Two reasons:

1.  The ODAC 4 lost only FOUR games against d3 teams all year to anyone but each other (and all four losses were to other conference teams, so SOS was not hurt).

2.  The ODAC does not have a complete round-robin schedule, so some of the ODAC 4 played each other only once.

Still amazing, and won't likely be repeated for a very long time.  The ODAC just might have had the best single year any conference ever had.

[northb]

It'd be great to see the MIAA get two teams in next year. Has the MIAA ever managed to get three in in one year?

Never three in one season.  I think the only way that would happen would be 1)  strong non conference performance for the entire league 2) Two very dominant teams atop the league and 3)  another team, 3-seed or lower, stealing the AQ by winning the league tournament.  

I don't foresee this as a possibility in 2010-11.

I don't see it happening next year but getting 3 teams is certainly possible but it does require the lower half of the MIAA to have stronger non-conference performances.

ODAC got 4 teams in this year and is only the #5 conference according to Massey. Two conferences got 3 teams (CAC and CCIW).

The most likely scenario is what you said. You'd have to have two teams in the top 3 regional rankings and then have a third team get the automatic bid.

It seems like 3 teams at the top of the league beating up on each other creates an in-region record that knocks the team out of contention.  Look at Calvin-if I understand correctly, they were 14-1 in-region if you discount the other team that made the NCAA's from their own league (i.e., Hope, which took 3 of 4, grrr).  How did the ODAC get that many teams in without playing each other right out of the tournament?

Two reasons:

1.  The ODAC 4 lost only FOUR games against d3 teams all year to anyone but each other (and all four losses were to other conference teams, so SOS was not hurt).

2.  The ODAC does not have a complete round-robin schedule, so some of the ODAC 4 played each other only once.

Still amazing, and won't likely be repeated for a very long time.  The ODAC just might have had the best single year any conference ever had.

Ok, next year Calvin , Hope, Albion and Olivet will only play Alma.  Presto, four teams in the tournament!

[Mr. Ypsi]

It'd be great to see the MIAA get two teams in next year. Has the MIAA ever managed to get three in in one year?

Never three in one season.  I think the only way that would happen would be 1)  strong non conference performance for the entire league 2) Two very dominant teams atop the league and 3)  another team, 3-seed or lower, stealing the AQ by winning the league tournament.  

I don't foresee this as a possibility in 2010-11.

I don't see it happening next year but getting 3 teams is certainly possible but it does require the lower half of the MIAA to have stronger non-conference performances.

ODAC got 4 teams in this year and is only the #5 conference according to Massey. Two conferences got 3 teams (CAC and CCIW).

The most likely scenario is what you said. You'd have to have two teams in the top 3 regional rankings and then have a third team get the automatic bid.

It seems like 3 teams at the top of the league beating up on each other creates an in-region record that knocks the team out of contention.  Look at Calvin-if I understand correctly, they were 14-1 in-region if you discount the other team that made the NCAA's from their own league (i.e., Hope, which took 3 of 4, grrr).  How did the ODAC get that many teams in without playing each other right out of the tournament?

Two reasons:

1.  The ODAC 4 lost only FOUR games against d3 teams all year to anyone but each other (and all four losses were to other conference teams, so SOS was not hurt).

2.  The ODAC does not have a complete round-robin schedule, so some of the ODAC 4 played each other only once.

Still amazing, and won't likely be repeated for a very long time.  The ODAC just might have had the best single year any conference ever had.

Ok, next year Calvin , Hope, Albion and Olivet will only play Alma.  Presto, four teams in the tournament!

I'm not so sure - your records would be great, but your SOS would be near zero!

[AndersDY]

I was at the women's game watching stats on an Ipod last night, so could only follow based on quick scattered updates. Based on the way the last 2 minutes played out online, was Hope's problem at the end sloppy ball control? The online updates gave the impression that we were turning the ball over and giving up easy shots or commiting silly fouls. Was that what actually played out, for those who were there?

Also, +100 karma to anyone who comes up with a video link of the Albertus Magnus - William Patterson finish. That sounds like a wild one to see.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/12/08/buzzer-beater-watch.html

Please make the karma check out to northb.

that's north with a b on it

Aw, sorry, I got stopped at +1. It does seem like a bit of cherry picking when the source is the D3Hoops front page.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Congratulations to Oakland University for springboarding from an exhibition victory over Hope College to a berth in the NCAA Div 1 tourney! 

I don't know why the Big 10 schools are so scared to take on the MIAA......