MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[ScotsFan]

There is nothing wrong with speculation. Glenn isn't dead, he's just retired. What harm can you do by speculating?

Agreed. This is open for conversation.

No one said it wasn't but we've had people who aren't even associated with Hope throwing in names of coaches from other programs and a couple high school coaches who probably aren't even going to apply thrown in the ring.........all within less than 6 hours of the announcement.

Random speculation is neither healthy nor wise, that is all hopeconvert was trying to convey.

What would you like us to talk about then, Sac?

The Tigers of course... 

That, so far, has pretty much been me.

While the first-place Tigers are 6-3, it is so far against just KC and Cleveland.  I'm worried what might happen when they have to play major league teams.

As much as that hurts being an Indians fan, I'm afraid it is the truth.  I joke with my friends about going to Akron Aeros (Indians AA affiliate) games.  I'm always saying why would I want to go pay full price up at the Jake to basically see minor league baseball that I can go watch at a fraction of the price in Akron!   

Oh, if only the Indians could get an owner with some deep pockets or that weren't such thightwads as the Dolans...     

[hopefan]

realist  -  I wasn't certain regarding your answer, so I googled

When did the NCAA allow freshmen to play at the varsity level?

"Answer
NCAA Division One Freshmen could play varsity ball until 1954. The NCAA then changed the rules and freshman were ineligible to play. The rule was rescinded in 1973. That is why you see college greats like Robertson, West, Alcindor (Jabbar), Mount, Maravich, Carr etc. playing in only 75 to 90 games. They were eligible for only three varsity seasons. Maravich, Mount, Robertson, Lucas, Russell all would have put up some unreachable numbers if they played 140 games in a career like the guys of today. If Maravich had played in 113 varsity games he would have scored 5000 career points and Oscar would have scored over 3800 points. "

Now then I note that the answer sticks in "NCAA Division one"
Could that be the answer to the discrepancy between the years mentioned and the name you bring up Bill De Horn?  However, I went to the Southern Illinois Carbondale site, alma mater of Walt Frazier, which won the 'college Division' in the mid 60's led by him, and their archives show me that all players in the 60's and 50's played only 3 years.   So I'm not sure about the De Horn example you brought up.   Thanks though for your response....

[oldknight]

Prior to the creation of the Division I, II, and III classifications we know today (which I believe was formed in 1971), schools like Calvin and Hope were lumped into what was called the college division of NCAA. As hopefan notes, there was a period of time when freshmen couldn't play a few of the varsity sports at the major college institutions, though the rule didn't apply to more "minor" sports like track and field. To the best of my knowledge, the NCAA rule never applied to Calvin and Hope. Top players like Bill DeHorn, Floyd Brady and Doug Taatjes played varsity basketball as freshmen in the MIAA. I wouldn't be surprised if GVW was a four year varsity player at Hope.

[realist]

Hopefan;  Sorry for the confusion.  I just remember the specific individuals involved, and now that you and OK mention it the special circumstances for D1 level did obviously exist.  I recall the "college" division, and also recall another group called "small college".  That is where I think MIAA schools existed.   I do not recall any "small college" post season tournaments or championships. 
If one looks at the MIAA record books it is interesting that some of the leading scorers, rebounders played before conference tourney, and many only a 20 game season.  Add in the fact that the 3 pt. shot didn't exist and one can only imagine what numbers a guy like Brady would have put up, because he could hit from just about anywhere on the court.

[calvin_grad]

Add in the fact that the 3 pt. shot didn't exist and one can only imagine what numbers a guy like Brady would have put up

I'm not going to SPECULATE on that.

[Knightmare]

Add in the fact that the 3 pt. shot didn't exist and one can only imagine what numbers a guy like Brady would have put up

I'm not going to SPECULATE on that.

  Well played, very well played   

[wiz]

The '70s were a different time.

The Dew Crew looked a little different then
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Doesn't look much different to me.

[wiz]

I wonder if Derek Van Solkema will apply, he played at hope.

I heard his dad was an assistant there too.

Who wasn't an assistant there?

[ziggy]

The '70s were a different time.

The Dew Crew looked a little different then

Doesn't look much different to me.
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No kid in a banana suit and they had not yet drawn a big "3" on the tie-dyed tshirt.

[Gregory Sager]

The '70s were a different time.

The Dew Crew looked a little different then

Doesn't look much different to me.
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Looks more like the '60s than the '70s to me. Then again, sac's a young'un, so he shouldn't be expected to know the difference.

Prior to the creation of the Division I, II, and III classifications we know today (which I believe was formed in 1971)

The NCAA College Division became Division II in 1973. The first school year of Division III football competition was 1973-74. The first school year of Division III basketball competition was 1974-75. The first year of Division III baseball competition was 1975-76.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Speaking of baseball, I stumbled across this on the Hope website the other day:

Hope's first game on its current field was a 1-0 nine inning victory over Ferris State on 4/18/63. Glenn Van Wieren single home the winning run scoring Jim Bultman from third. Joey Bosworth pitched a two-hitter with 10 strikeouts.

[realist]

Looking at the MIAA site the 73-74 school year was the first time MIAA teams participated in the NCAA Div. 3 championships in any sport.  In 73 Hope and several other competed in cross country.
The following is a list of the other men's sports, and the first year the MIAA sent a representative to the NCAA tournament.
Basketball:  Albion 78
Football:      Adrian 83
Golf:            Olivet 80
Soccer:        Calvin 80
Swimming:  Kalamazoo 76
Tennis:        Kalamazoo 76
Baseball:     Albion 79
Track & F:    Kalamazoo 74

[sac]

I don't think MIAA teams could compete in basketball until 1978........football was probably at least the same.

[Civic Minded]

Before we count any potential candidate out as Hope's next head basketball coach, let's not get too caught up in the phrase "national search," and remember this sentence from President Bultman as well:  "There was no timetable Tuesday for when the new coach will be hired, Bultman said. Internal and external candidates will be considered, he added."

[Titan Q]

Before we count any potential candidate out as Hope's next head basketball coach, let's not get too caught up in the phrase "national search," and remember this sentence from President Bultman as well:  "There was no timetable Tuesday for when the new coach will be hired, Bultman said. Internal and external candidates will be considered, he added."

Four years ago, Bloomington, Illinois-based Illinois Wesleyan announced a "national search" for its open men's basketball coaching position.  While there were, in fact, applicants from all across the country, IWU hired the head basketball coach from Bloomington (IL) High Schoool (IWU alum Ron Rose).

I suspect that often at the small college level, "national" searches result in hires very close to home.