MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

David Kaye F,  from Haslett, Mi will be attending Trine University.  He was an Honorable Mention Class B player.

[hoopdreams]

Can anyone confirm that Brian Morehouse has applied for Men's position? Mere speculation but a parent of a current player told me this today.... He fits the typical Hope hire.  One could debate whether leaving the women's program is wise, but we can only speculate on this

[WWWRHH]

Hoopdreams:  Was it the parent of women's player or men's player?

[hoopdreams]

It was a parent of a men's player, but is mere speculation, not fact at this point.  He also had speculation in regards to Eric Elliott's interest, as well as a potential transfer and a tournament possibility that would require some travel, and sunscreen.  Also had insight as to the efforts of a player-led push to the hiring committee for Coach Neil.  Was it genuine, or encouraged by someone of significance?  I guess until we see a press release, or the 2010-11 roster and schedule, it is mere speculation.

Awesome piece on Rob last week.  If everyone loved athletics, and a team like Robbie...

[ChicagoHopeNut]

I wouldn't be shocked if Morehouse applied for the Men's position at all. He started his career at Hope as the men's JV coach. It certainly be very interesting to see if his success with the women's program could be translated to the men's.

[hoopdreams]

in regards to dummyrules comments about practice structure, one must not be too familiar with the limitations the NCAA puts on practice time.  When time is scarce, it's generally a good idea to make great use of that time.  Add to that that Hope does virtually no preseason work other than the conditioning class and pick-up games, unlike WHAC and D1 and D2 programs that have mandatory skill sessions ( with coaches too!!!!) with their same position players, or individual workouts-coach driven as well.  Throw in the mandatory weight training sessions too.  The players want these opportunities too, mandatory or not.  Yes, I know that academics may be stressed more at the MIAA schools and sports isn't clearly not the most important thing in their lives, but the success of said programs and its players is relevant and important.  Hence the 1500+ pages in this forum alone.

If you think the practices were ideal, ask returning captains, Bowser and Bunn their thoughts.  Don't ask about GVW as a mentor, father figure or role model, ask about the practices. 

[Gregory Sager]

Add to that that Hope does virtually no preseason work other than the conditioning class and pick-up games, unlike WHAC and D1 and D2 programs that have mandatory skill sessions ( with coaches too!!!!) with their same position players, or individual workouts-coach driven as well.

That's not unique to Hope, though; those preseason restrictions apply to every school in D3. Since that's what the basis of comparison is here -- how does Hope stack up on the hardwood against other MIAA and D3 schools, not how does Hope stack up against Aquinas or Cornerstone or Grand Valley State or Western Michigan -- it's not as though those restrictions are putting any more of an onus upon Hope's player development than they are upon any of Hope's peers.

[hoopdreams]

Greg- I truthfully do not know the exact requirements in regards to time allowed/restrictions placed by the NCAA for preseason or offseason.  I have always gotten the impression in Holland that more could and should be done.  This is based completely on conversations I have had with current/former players and their families.  If Hope and every other D3 school have followed the rules while maximizing their allowed practice opportunities, I apologize.

On the speculation front, I have received multiple e-mails from some very loyal Hope followers this week who evidently do not want to become entrenched in the he said, she said speculation.  So' i'll take the bullet for them.  Contrary to what many Hudsonville based people have told me, Eric Elliott has applied to become the new Head Coach.  Anyone else know of this, or is this mere speculation?

[Titan Q]

Greg- I truthfully do not know the exact requirements in regards to time allowed/restrictions placed by the NCAA for preseason or offseason.  I have always gotten the impression in Holland that more could and should be done.  This is based completely on conversations I have had with current/former players and their families.  If Hope and every other D3 school have followed the rules while maximizing their allowed practice opportunities, I apologize.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D310.pdf
(page 135)

17.3.2   Preseason Practices.

17.3.2.1 On-CourtPractice. A member institution shall not commence on-court preseason basketball practice sessions before October 15. (Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/92, 1/11/94, 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96, 1/14/97 effec- tive 8/1/97, 1/8/01 effective 8/1/01)

17.3.2.1.1 Permissible Conditioning Activities. Team conditioning or physical-fitness activities supervised by coaching staff members may be conducted on or off court but shall not begin before October 15. (Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/92, 1/16/93, 1/11/94)

17.3.2.1.2 Prohibited Activities. Before the start of on-court preseason basketball practice per Bylaw 17.3.2.1, members of the institution's coaching staff may not be involved in athletically related activities

[sac]

Maybe I'm way off here, but its been my understanding any off-season work has always been led by the returning Sr's or captains.  These last two years, Hope has had a pretty small Sr class contribution with what I would call limited influence.



I think its generally expected that Matt Neil, Chad Carlson, Brian Morehouse and Eric Elliot would all apply for the job among others.  Whether thats happened or not?  I certainly can't confirm it.

[dumezrules]

in regards to dummyrules comments about practice structure, one must not be too familiar with the limitations the NCAA puts on practice time.  When time is scarce, it's generally a good idea to make great use of that time.  Add to that that Hope does virtually no preseason work other than the conditioning class and pick-up games, unlike WHAC and D1 and D2 programs that have mandatory skill sessions ( with coaches too!!!!) with their same position players, or individual workouts-coach driven as well.  Throw in the mandatory weight training sessions too.  The players want these opportunities too, mandatory or not.  

Umm...thanks for ripping on me..I am sure you have spent many hours coaching in your life and can really appreciate good coaching.  I also think you do not know that NAIA (where WHAC schools are) and NCAA 1 and 2 have different rules...also my comments really didnt have anything to do with practice per se but the evident improvement of the team every year under GVW.  I dont think that more practice would have helped your mentioned player make layups in games his first couple of years....   maybe gvw should have emphasized the importance of layup making more in practice 

I do know that the last dIII all-american that GVW coached spent far more VOLUNTARY time (alone) in the gym than the 2 players you mentioned...maybe that has something to do with him getting that honor. 

[realist]

I think its generally expected that Matt Neil, Chad Carlson, Brian Morehouse and Eric Elliot would all apply for the job among others.  Whether thats happened or not?  I certainly can't confirm it.

Sac:  How many of the individuals that you mention meet the requirement for being able to teach at Hope that are listed in the posting?  As an "outsider"  the requirement for GVW's replacement to replace him in the classroom as well as on the court speaks volumes in the selection process.  How many of the other current coaches are also profs.? 

[sac]

I think its generally expected that Matt Neil, Chad Carlson, Brian Morehouse and Eric Elliot would all apply for the job among others.  Whether thats happened or not?  I certainly can't confirm it.

Sac:  How many of the individuals that you mention meet the requirement for being able to teach at Hope that are listed in the posting?  As an "outsider"  the requirement for GVW's replacement to replace him in the classroom as well as on the court speaks volumes in the selection process.  How many of the other current coaches are also profs.? 

I don't know that I would look to deep into the requirements posted for the job.  Coaches that would also teach is always preferred I'm sure.

[angolabballnut]

With all the deserving talk about Hope and Calvin, I am a basketball fan in Angola Indiana, what is the overall thought on Trine's (I think) talented freshman class?  I hear they have a sleeper in Noah Veach (Grand Haven) which adds much needed toughness and they have a transfer big coming in.  Anybody have any thoughts about Graham, Rogers, or/ or Ian Jackson? 
Thanks

[realist]

I think its generally expected that Matt Neil, Chad Carlson, Brian Morehouse and Eric Elliot would all apply for the job among others.  Whether thats happened or not?  I certainly can't confirm it.

Sac:  How many of the individuals that you mention meet the requirement for being able to teach at Hope that are listed in the posting?  As an "outsider"  the requirement for GVW's replacement to replace him in the classroom as well as on the court speaks volumes in the selection process.  How many of the other current coaches are also profs.? 

I don't know that I would look to deep into the requirements posted for the job.  Coaches that would also teach is always preferred I'm sure.

Perhaps you are right.  Reading and listening to the comments by college Pres. etc. it seemed they almost stressed replacing GVW as a teacher more than as a coach.  If you move an internal candidate into the job you still have to replace the teaching hours if they aren't qualified.