MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

Shane Tiemeyer 6-10 C, Zeeland West has signed with Cornerstone.

[Pat Coleman]

  Guess my crack wasn't clear.

Did Sac recently get into the plumbing profession?

Yes, his drain (maybe brain) has been plugged with sewage for about 2-3 months now.  Go back to previous posts starting with argument with Pat.  He has been somewhat vial since then.

those posts were mysteriously deleted.

There was no mystery. The deleter posted that he had deleted.

But I am getting a kick out of the misspellings of vile, affected and one of my all-time favorites, the old reins/reigns problem.

Taking over the reins (like driving a horse) doesn't have a G. Someone who reigns supreme (like a king) does. Copy editor lesson for the day. Now back to D3baseball.

[section7]

  Guess my crack wasn't clear.

Did Sac recently get into the plumbing profession?

Yes, his drain (maybe brain) has been plugged with sewage for about 2-3 months now.  Go back to previous posts starting with argument with Pat.  He has been somewhat vial since then.

those posts were mysteriously deleted.

There was no mystery. The deleter posted that he had deleted.

But I am getting a kick out of the misspellings of vile, affected and one of my all-time favorites, the old reins/reigns problem.

Taking over the reins (like driving a horse) doesn't have a G. Someone who reigns supreme (like a king) does. Copy editor lesson for the day. Now back to D3baseball.

OMG, I misused vial (VILE).  I must return my degree to PCU! At least you didn't use red lettering to correct us!

[realist]

How difficult COULD it possibly be for Tim Schoonveld, to POSSIBLY tell a man he has known for most of his life, youth and adult as a mentor, coach, role model and friend, that he isn't the guy taking over the Hope program?  I believe Neil had an interview within the past 48 hours, while the other 2 men met last week with the committee and players.  

I seriously doubt that Tim S. has any say about who will be the next b-ball coach.  From the job posting it is pretty apparent that the head of the kinesology dept. is "the man" when it comes to deciding.  He is the one who will tell the applicants if they got the job or not.  I notice the new softball coach is coming from Central in Iowa, and the afore mentioned dept. head made that announcement (not the A.D. )!  I also seiously doubt that the new head coach is going to be decided by a popular vote of the players, and parents.  To borrow a phrase from Sac. "they are being played".

Pat.  I noticed the rein/reign thing as well.  For years I thought that GVW did actually reign, but once it was announced his choice of sucessor wasn't annointed I realized he only reined.  

[almcguirejr]

How difficult COULD it possibly be for Tim Schoonveld, to POSSIBLY tell a man he has known for most of his life, youth and adult as a mentor, coach, role model and friend, that he isn't the guy taking over the Hope program?  I believe Neil had an interview within the past 48 hours, while the other 2 men met last week with the committee and players.  

I seriously doubt that Tim S. has any say about who will be the next b-ball coach.  From the job posting it is pretty apparent that the head of the kinesology dept. is "the man" when it comes to deciding.  He is the one who will tell the applicants if they got the job or not.  I notice the new softball coach is coming from Central in Iowa, and the afore mentioned dept. head made that announcement (not the A.D. )!  I also seiously doubt that the new head coach is going to be decided by a popular vote of the players, and parents.  To borrow a phrase from Sac. "they are being played".

Pat.  I noticed the rein/reign thing as well.  For years I thought that GVW did actually reign, but once it was announced his choice of sucessor wasn't annointed I realized he only reined.  

I would think Schoonveld would have input into who the next coach is.  I don't think "one man" is making the decision.  I think it will be a consensus pick of the committee.

I'm looking for white smoke in the west.

[hoopdreams]

there is a small committee, including the Department head, and the Men's athletics Director (schoonveld) as well.  Since when doesn't an athletic director have  SOME say on who works in their program. Although he may not officially make the announcement( that is of course the dept. heads job because its a faculty position not a coaching job), I'm sure at some point Tim and Matt's paths may cross, either on campus, at the Devos, or at church. ( This is where one of you can chime in to tell me that it would never happen because they don't even go to the same church!!! Don't know, don't care just trying to make a point).  And if Neil isn't offered the position and they do talk, I'm speculating that at some point in their lives they will run into one another, the topic of "the hire" will come up. As professional as they both are, I would think standing in Tim's shoes may be a little difficult.  I could be wrong because I am just speculating on the matter.

If the players were asked to meet with each finalist, I would like to think that their thoughts and input would have some importance, although i am not naive enough to think that they are pulling the strings.  Never said it was going to be decided by a popular vote, if that was the case the players would have voted GVW out a long time ago.

I can tell you that GVW has been telling everyone in town of any importance, including current and former players to make a call on Matt's behalf.  If players input is meaningless, why is GVW spending hours trying to get his players to endorse Neil?

Looking at it from a different perspective, and I know the time lines of both postings play a big part in my speculation....  If Neil has a Masters' but its not in Kinesiology or any other health related speciality, wouldn't the Assistant of the Dow and Intramural Coordinator position have been PERFECT FOR HIM? 

[devossed]

Maybe, but I don't believe the other 2 candidates have a Master's in Kines. either.

And GVW has been doing that for the better part of a month -- that's nothing new.

[almcguirejr]

Suggestion to replace GVW:   Brian Van Haaften, Buena Vista, Storm Lake, IA.
Played at Northwestern College when Dr. Bultman was President at that institution.

Cambria321"s "wild and dangerous"( ) speculation is looking closer to the mark each day.

[realist]

hoopdreams.  You have much more insight into the situation at Hope than I do.  My observations are strictly those of an outsider, but I do have years of experience in terms of organizational management.    
I agree there is a comm. in place, but I also ask who do those comm. members report to as staff?  Does Tim S. report to the Head of the dept.?   Do all comm. members report to the head of the dept.? If so how strongly do any of them (including Tim) argue for any specific candidate with "the boss"?  Read this as the choice of a new coach is to important for a "mere" AD to decide.
The very fact that GVW now finds it necessary to lobby so hard for Matt speaks volumes.
If GVW's opinion really mattered why isn't he (Matt) annointed already?
If the opinion of others in the Hope "family" is valued why isn't he (Matt)annointed already?  Assuming everyone is united behind Matt.
As an outside observer it appears that some pretty serious "politics" are at play in this situation, and everything is far more complicated than it might first appear.  My guess is GVW may have thrown his weight around while he reigned as bball coach, and this is someone's (dept. head, college Pres.) chance for a bit of payback.  It also may be a means to make sure the tail does not wag the dog going forward.
From a very practical standpoint the "teaching" aspect of the job would indicate it is tenure track.  If the new coach is not successful it is easier, and less messy to deny tenure to force them out than it is to teminate the person from a "staff" position.  
The fact the softball coach got that staff position also points to the direction the bball coach is coming from.  

[sac]

Hope has Co-athletic directors, lets not leave Eva Dean Folkert out of this.

[sac]

Looking at it from a different perspective, and I know the time lines of both postings play a big part in my speculation....  If Neil has a Masters' but its not in Kinesiology or any other health related speciality, wouldn't the Assistant of the Dow and Intramural Coordinator position have been PERFECT FOR HIM? 

Working off memory, but I don't think any of the 3 finalists have a degree in Kinesiology.

[realist]

Perhaps the actual degree field is less important than the issue of control.  A good "politican" will be able to spin some aspects of the selection process to provide cover for the "right person for the job".

Quoting Aljr:  "I think it will be a consensus pick of the committee."  With out a doubt it will be presented that way.

Having served on more committees than I care to recall I know full well that not all committee members are created equal.  All I needed to read was the College President's announcement that the Head of the Kinesology Dept. was Chair of the search comm. 

[Gregory Sager]

Looking at it from a different perspective, and I know the time lines of both postings play a big part in my speculation....  If Neil has a Masters' but its not in Kinesiology or any other health related speciality, wouldn't the Assistant of the Dow and Intramural Coordinator position have been PERFECT FOR HIM?  

Working off memory, but I don't think any of the 3 finalists have a degree in Kinesiology.

Correct. None of them do -- if the degree to which you refer is the advanced (teaching level) one. Two have master's degrees in education, and the third has a master's degree in education administration. However, at least one of them majored in kinesiology as an undergraduate.

[hoopdreams]

is Ms. Folkert in the team picture?  I believe each AD has separate programs they are "in Charge" of but you're correct, I do believe she would have some input during the hiring process.  To think that either AD had nothing to do with the hire is mere speculation but I find it hard to believe that not involved at all, which an earlier poster speculated.

[hoopdreams]

devossed- thanks for the tip that Glenn has been lobbying for a month now.  It further justifies my comment that if  Hopes players input into the hire was irrelevant, why is he calling everyone?  For a month?    An earlier poster " I seriously doubt that the new coach is going to be decided by a popular vote of players and parents".  I would like to think that the returning players thoughts on the man who will become an important figure in their lives for the next 1, 2 or 3 years may be of at least a little importance.  It's just speculation though.