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Quote from: ziggy on September 30, 2010, 05:33:12 PM
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Quote from: Dark Knight on September 30, 2010, 02:30:32 PM

Given that Olivet was only about 1.3 points behind Calvin in strength according to Massey last year, Massey gave Calvin a 64% likelihood of winning at home and 46% away.

That would imply a 19% chance of 3 wins, 44% chance of 2 wins, 31% of 1 win, and 7% chance of no wins.


64+46=110

Dark Knight was giving us 110% effort.

The 64% and 46% aren't parts of the same outcome. The percentages are mutually exclusive.
-Calvin's 64% of a chance at winning at home gives Olivet a 36% chance of winning on the road
-Calvin's 46% chance of winning on the road gives Olivet a 54% chance of winning at home.

Ah. Duh. I was also told there would be no math. :)
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devossed

if anybody has any info, i may need some help to settle a discussion:

what is the exact date NCAA Division I basketball teams can start their first practice this year?

Divsion 2?

Division 3?

are they all the same weekend on October 16?

Civic Minded

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Quote from: devossed on October 01, 2010, 11:17:52 AM
if anybody has any info, i may need some help to settle a discussion:

what is the exact date NCAA Division I basketball teams can start their first practice this year?

Divsion 2?

Division 3?

are they all the same weekend on October 16?

If I'm remembering correctly, Div. 3 can start on Friday, Oct. 15.  If they do, however, it counts as a full week of practice.  I'm guessing we won't hear about many (or any) MIAA teams starting practice then.  I do wonder if, conversely, it could count as one of their "weeks off" if they don't start until the following Monday.  The NCAA is so wonderfully complicated.   :P
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Even if they wait until the 18th to start practice, that's only a weekend plus 2 weeks away!!! 
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Quote from: Civic Minded on October 01, 2010, 11:42:11 AM
Quote from: devossed on October 01, 2010, 11:17:52 AM
if anybody has any info, i may need some help to settle a discussion:

what is the exact date NCAA Division I basketball teams can start their first practice this year?

Divsion 2?

Division 3?

are they all the same weekend on October 16?

If I'm remembering correctly, Div. 3 can start on Friday, Oct. 15.  If they do, however, it counts as a full week of practice.  I'm guessing we won't hear about many (or any) MIAA teams starting practice then.  I do wonder if, conversely, it could count as one of their "weeks off" if they don't start until the following Monday.  The NCAA is so wonderfully complicated.   :P

I'm pretty sure that Calvin's starting practice at 12:00 AM on the 18th, but I'm not sure when the NCAA's earliest allowed start date is. I do know that CM is correct that even a partial week (as little as one day) counts as a full week on the schedule.

Transparency has never been a strong suit of the NCAA.

I just learned that D3 doesn't have weekly hour limits like D1 has. If the U-M football team was in D3 they wouldn't have violated any rules!

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Indeed, Oct. 15 is the earliest start date for D-III. Can't say I track what the D-I date is.
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Quote from: old 40 on September 25, 2007, 08:23:57 PMLet's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

Dark Knight

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With Calvin's declining enrollments, what are the chances that Calvin will start a football program in the near future?

Traditionally, there hasn't been much interest in the community for football--no programs at the feeder schools, etc. However, that has changed over the years. Now there is football down to the middle school level. Start-up funds are not likely to be an issue. Donors could probably be found in short order.

Rumor has it that five years ago, the college president's attitude was "over my dead body." Now it's more like "hmmm...."

I heard one person on campus (not involved in the decision-making) opine that there would be football at Calvin within three years.

Thoughts?

ziggy

Quote from: Dark Knight on October 05, 2010, 11:23:21 AM
With Calvin's declining enrollments, what are the chances that Calvin will start a football program in the near future?

Traditionally, there hasn't been much interest in the community for football--no programs at the feeder schools, etc. However, that has changed over the years. Now there is football down to the middle school level. Start-up funds are not likely to be an issue. Donors could probably be found in short order.

Rumor has it that five years ago, the college president's attitude was "over my dead body." Now it's more like "hmmm...."

I heard one person on campus (not involved in the decision-making) opine that there would be football at Calvin within three years.

Thoughts?


The question that no one seems to be able to answer is the ramifications in light of Title IX.

I believe Timmer's last public statements about it left the door open, if I remember correctly. It might happen eventually but I disagree that it would be in response to declining enrollment. I would suggest that is more of an economic issue than a lack of football.

Gregory Sager

Quote from: Dark Knight on October 05, 2010, 11:23:21 AM
With Calvin's declining enrollments, what are the chances that Calvin will start a football program in the near future?

Traditionally, there hasn't been much interest in the community for football--no programs at the feeder schools, etc. However, that has changed over the years. Now there is football down to the middle school level. Start-up funds are not likely to be an issue. Donors could probably be found in short order.

Rumor has it that five years ago, the college president's attitude was "over my dead body." Now it's more like "hmmm...."

I heard one person on campus (not involved in the decision-making) opine that there would be football at Calvin within three years.

Thoughts?


Two main ones:

1. What's the current gender ratio at Calvin? Gender ratios are generally pretty lopsided all over the country -- females are simply going to college in much greater numbers than are males -- but when they get really lopsided at a particular school the administration will often begin to mull the possibility of adding football. Not only does a football team bring 60-120 new Y-chromosome-bearing student-athletes to a campus who might not otherwise be there, it's also likely to help draw interest among potential male students who don't necessarily want to play football but who want to go to a school that has a football team that they can watch. Believe it or not, there's guys out there who feel as though their college life would have a hole in it if their school didn't have a football team. Football is traditionally considered to be a big part of the American collegiate experience.

2. What's Calvin's current status in terms of Title IX compliance? Would the school run afoul of Uncle Sam if it added a male-only sport that put 60-120 new student-athletes of the dude persuasion into the Calvin student-athlete pool?
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Gregory Sager

Looks like Ziggy and I are thinking alike in terms of Title IX being a potential problem for Calvin in terms of adding football.
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KnightSlappy

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Calvin's currently +1 in Women's sports (volleyball), but obviously a football roster would tip the number of athletes heavily toward the 'dudes'.

Enrollment is 53.4% women, and 46.6% men.

http://www.calvin.edu/admin/enrollment/day1010/day1010.pdf

realist

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6. Are most schools and colleges in compliance with Title IX?

No. Current estimates are that 80% or more of all colleges and universities are not in compliance.

Apparently non-compliance isn't a problem until someone hires an attorney. ;)
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Gregory Sager

Quote from: KnightSlappy on October 05, 2010, 12:34:24 PM
Calvin's currently +1 in Women's sports (volleyball), but obviously a football roster would tip the number of athletes heavily toward the 'dudes'.

Enrollment is 53.4% women, and 46.6% men.

http://www.calvin.edu/admin/enrollment/day1010/day1010.pdf

That actually seems pretty even for a small private liberal-arts college. Most D3 schools of Calvin's profile seem to be closer to 60-40, or even greater.
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northb

Quote from: KnightSlappy on October 05, 2010, 12:34:24 PM
Calvin's currently +1 in Women's sports (volleyball), but obviously a football roster would tip the number of athletes heavily toward the 'dudes'.

Enrollment is 53.4% women, and 46.6% men.

http://www.calvin.edu/admin/enrollment/day1010/day1010.pdf

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