MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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Trine's roster is up again (it was down for the last week - probably due to the fact that it had graduated guys still listed).  Looks like it's been corrected.

http://www.trine.edu/trineathletics/mens_basketball/roster.cfm

Still waiting on Adrian and Alma rosters

I enjoy the fact that Trine posts the players' majors on the roster, as if to say, don't forget that these are student athletes.  Lots of sports management, golf management, recreation, etc., then you get the hard core engineering and pre med guys sprinkled in for good measure.   No commentary, just fun to look at and I wish other teams would do the same. 

If I remember correctly, Ryan Smalligan, Eric DeVries, and John Mantel were all engineering students at Calvin. I'm sure a number of other players carried rigorous academic loads while playing basketball.

[realist]

Interesting concept.  Could Hope be considering a 3 guard offense?

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x1650568874/Matt-Neil-contemplating-quick-2-point-guard-lineup-for-Hope-mens-basketball-team

Thanks for the link FDF:  At this point in time it wouldn't surprise me to see Hope, and several other MIAA teams go 3 guard.  I think Hope really has the personel to press, go aggressively for turn overs, and run, run run. 

[northb]

Interesting concept.  Could Hope be considering a 3 guard offense?

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x1650568874/Matt-Neil-contemplating-quick-2-point-guard-lineup-for-Hope-mens-basketball-team

Thanks for the link FDF:  At this point in time it wouldn't surprise me to see Hope, and several other MIAA teams go 3 guard.  I think Hope really has the personel to press, go aggressively for turn overs, and run, run run. 

What would be the arguments for or against this?

[sac]

And Alma has a "partial" roster posted.  Only 8 players, including sophomore Lance Jongekrijg from Zeeland (was on the state runner up team with Nate Snuggerud).

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/roster

I'm not sure what this is.....Weiss and Ginther were both listed as Sr's last season,   Brown, Schneider, Erickson and Randall's classes haven't changed.  Only Sheridan and Jongekrijg's class seem to be correct.

I think Thursday is the coaches conference call, I imagine all the rosters will be updated by then (and hopefully accurate)

[northb]

And Alma has a "partial" roster posted.  Only 8 players, including sophomore Lance Jongekrijg from Zeeland (was on the state runner up team with Nate Snuggerud).

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/roster

I'm not sure what this is.....Weiss and Ginther were both listed as Sr's last season,   Brown, Schneider, Erickson and Randall's classes haven't changed.  Only Sheridan and Jongekrijg's class seem to be correct.

I think Thursday is the coaches conference call, I imagine all the rosters will be updated by then (and hopefully accurate)

What do they do for the conference call?

[sac]

And Alma has a "partial" roster posted.  Only 8 players, including sophomore Lance Jongekrijg from Zeeland (was on the state runner up team with Nate Snuggerud).

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/roster

I'm not sure what this is.....Weiss and Ginther were both listed as Sr's last season,   Brown, Schneider, Erickson and Randall's classes haven't changed.  Only Sheridan and Jongekrijg's class seem to be correct.

I think Thursday is the coaches conference call, I imagine all the rosters will be updated by then (and hopefully accurate)

What do they do for the conference call? 

Same thing they did when they had media day.  Talk about their teams and pick pre-season poll. etc.   They just do it by conference call now, or at least thats my understanding.

[hoopdreams]

Hope has had the people to play a three guard set...for many years.  It's nice to see someone "think outside the box" or at least contemplate it.  As been stated before, basketball, especially at the D3 level, is a guards game, unless you have that once a decade'ish stud post to run things through, not one that likes to step out and shoot 3's.

If you want to be successful, you have to play to your strengths, not settle for trying to put square pegs in a round hole, or something like that.

[realist]

NB:  I am sure more than one "thesis" or "dissertation" has been written on your question.  Like hoopdreams for me it comes down to best utilization of a schools existing talent pool.  If a teams 5 best players are guards why not design a game plan that capitalizes on this strenght?
Granted you still need to consider matching up with your opponents strenghts, but your opponent also needs to consider matching your 3 guards.  Start with playing your strenghts, and be flexible enough to change if it becomes apparent this isn't going to work.

Personally I always bristle when I hear someone say "we've never  played 3 guards here  or that won't work here" or any other lame excuse troted out to cover up a coach's inflexible mindset.  Just because you've always done something one way doesn't mean that another way automatically won't work.   

[sac]

Hope has had the people to play a three guard set...for many years.  It's nice to see someone "think outside the box" or at least contemplate it.  As been stated before, basketball, especially at the D3 level, is a guards game, unless you have that once a decade'ish stud post to run things through, not one that likes to step out and shoot 3's.

If you want to be successful, you have to play to your strengths, not settle for trying to put square pegs in a round hole, or something like that.

Hope has run plenty of 3 guard offense many times for many years, in the recent past even, like the 2008 team that went to Salem.   You might even call Krombeen, Myliewiec and Bunn on the floor at the same time 3 guards (because they are), we saw a little of that early last season.

I guess that "box" has been open awhile.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Personally I always bristle when I hear someone say "we've never  played 3 guards here  or that won't work here" or any other lame excuse troted out to cover up a coach's inflexible mindset.  Just because you've always done something one way doesn't mean that another way automatically won't work.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH4Q8vkbV2U

This video clip is even more fun if you think about certain basketball crazed West Michigan hamlets while watching it. 

[KnightSlappy]

I'm sure there's a great deal of switching back and fourth, especially when it comes to 2's and 3's. Lots of guys are "wings" or G/F's. Usually, though, you see a PG and two SG's in a three guard. Although, I think Calvin played some three guard with Dustin Smith, Caleb Veldhouse, and Derek Griffin.

[realist]

Personally I always bristle when I hear someone say "we've never  played 3 guards here  or that won't work here" or any other lame excuse troted out to cover up a coach's inflexible mindset.  Just because you've always done something one way doesn't mean that another way automatically won't work.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH4Q8vkbV2U

This video clip is even more fun if you think about certain basketball crazed West Michigan hamlets while watching it. 

+karma my friend.  It is good to point out that coaches aren't the only ones capable of having "inflexible mindsets".

[sac]

I'm sure there's a great deal of switching back and fourth, especially when it comes to 2's and 3's. Lots of guys are "wings" or G/F's. Usually, though, you see a PG and two SG's in a three guard. Although, I think Calvin played some three guard with Dustin Smith, Caleb Veldhouse, and Derek Griffin.

This is true, and I would say the common player in the times I can recall 3 guard rotations, Hope had at least one big guard for D3 in the 6-2+ range.

I'm pretty sure there were times Hope used 3 guards when Holstege was around, because he could take his man low.  I seem to recall Dan VanHekken, Canan/Phelps and Holstege playing together quite a bit.  Holstege frequently played along the baseline.  If you asked most Hope fans who saw him play, they'd probably call his staple shot the reverse layup.

When Don Overbeek was around,  I'm sure Mike VanHekken, Charlie Kleinheksal and Matt Taylor/ Greg Immink all played together.  This group was primarily perimeter oriented, neither Mike or Charlie played down low or along the baseline much.  Maybe a little more of what people think of, when "3 guard offense" is used.

I'm not certain Hope has ever used a starting 5 with 3 guards, but I'm also over the hump age wise now and the memory might not be what it once was.




Now the idea of using two PG's in a 3 guard offense, sounds quite a bit different than anything I can recall Hope using.  The closest I can recall off the top of my head was Matt Taylor and Ryan Klingler on the floor at the same time, but I'm not sure many feel comfortable calling Ryan a true PG or if that really happened much.

Even if Krombeen, Overway and Bunn team up for a 3 guard rotation (or throw in Tanis/Mysliewiec), it still contains an above average guard for D3, which as I've outlined has happened many times in the past.  Bunn would obviously spend much of his time along the baseline as he has for the past two seasons.  Krombeen to me has always felt like a 'not quite' a PG, 'not quite' a 2 guard.  He's above avg. height for a D3 PG, but maybe not as consistent from long range to be the 2.  So even then its kind of hard to view this as two true PG's playing together at the same time because I'm not sure Krombeen fits the true PG definition.  ~~semantics I guess.

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I'm sure there's a great deal of switching back and fourth, especially when it comes to 2's and 3's. Lots of guys are "wings" or G/F's. Usually, though, you see a PG and two SG's in a three guard. Although, I think Calvin played some three guard with Dustin Smith, Caleb Veldhouse, and Derek Griffin.

This is true, and I would say the common player in the times I can recall 3 guard rotations, Hope had at least one big guard for D3 in the 6-2+ range.

I'm pretty sure there were times Hope used 3 guards when Holstege was around, because he could take his man low.  I seem to recall Dan VanHekken, Canan/Phelps and Holstege playing together quite a bit.  Holstege frequently played along the baseline.  If you asked most Hope fans who saw him play, they'd probably call his staple shot the reverse layup.

When Don Overbeek was around,  I'm sure Mike VanHekken, Charlie Kleinheksal and Matt Taylor/ Greg Immink all played together.  This group was primarily perimeter oriented, neither Mike or Charlie played down low or along the baseline much.  Maybe a little more of what people think of, when "3 guard offense" is used.

I'm not certain Hope has ever used a starting 5 with 3 guards, but I'm also over the hump age wise now and the memory might not be what it once was.




Now the idea of using two PG's in a 3 guard offense, sounds quite a bit different than anything I can recall Hope using.  The closest I can recall off the top of my head was Matt Taylor and Ryan Klingler on the floor at the same time, but I'm not sure many feel comfortable calling Ryan a true PG or if that really happened much.

Even if Krombeen, Overway and Bunn team up for a 3 guard rotation (or throw in Tanis/Mysliewiec), it still contains an above average guard for D3, which as I've outlined has happened many times in the past.  Bunn would obviously spend much of his time along the baseline as he has for the past two seasons.  Krombeen to me has always felt like a 'not quite' a PG, 'not quite' a 2 guard.  He's above avg. height for a D3 PG, but maybe not as consistent from long range to be the 2.  So even then its kind of hard to view this as two true PG's playing together at the same time because I'm not sure Krombeen fits the true PG definition.  ~~semantics I guess.

Speed has something to do with it, too.

[Galahad]

And Alma has a "partial" roster posted.  Only 8 players, including sophomore Lance Jongekrijg from Zeeland (was on the state runner up team with Nate Snuggerud).

http://www.alma.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/roster

I'm not sure what this is.....Weiss and Ginther were both listed as Sr's last season,   Brown, Schneider, Erickson and Randall's classes haven't changed.  Only Sheridan and Jongekrijg's class seem to be correct.

I think Thursday is the coaches conference call, I imagine all the rosters will be updated by then (and hopefully accurate)

What do they do for the conference call? 

Same thing they did when they had media day.  Talk about their teams and pick pre-season poll. etc.   They just do it by conference call now, or at least thats my understanding.

According to the MIAA schedule, the coaches have a conference call on Thursday, November 4