MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

He will be out for some time.  what are the possibilities/probabilities of a medical red-shirt in D3.  I knew he had been out for most of the fall but had no idea of the severity of the issue, until this afternoon.  I'll let SAC tell people what's up, or wait until the Sentinel does its job, don't want people to think I'm speculating.  

Now the notion of putting Krombeen and Overway on the floor together doesn't seem so farfetched.  FWIW, I've told told tanis has looked pretty impressive.  Maybe if he's not looking over his shoulder to see when he gets pulled, he will play to his potential this fall.  One can only hope...

I don't think he would even need a medical redshirt to play next season if he sat the year out. My understanding is that you basically get 5 years to use up 4 years of eligibility in D3. (I think Kent Raymond of Wheaton went this route?)

Bunn is a 2007 graduate of Lansing Christian, this is his 4th year of NCAA competition.

*edit for memory lapse

Also, I thought he had redshirted at Oakland, but I guess that wasn't the case since he's a Senior at Hope.

[sac]

Adrian's roster, I don't see anyone obvious missing, looks like everyone returned, and don't know anything about the new kids.

http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/roster

[KnightSlappy]

Adrian's roster, I don't see anyone obvious missing, looks like everyone returned, and don't know anything about the new kids.

http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/roster

And I thought Calvin was young.

1 senior
2 juniors
9 sophomores
3 freshmen

[hoopdreams]

Bunn-Tanis update in Holland Sentinel.....

Gentlemen's agreement SAC: You decide to stop being so critical and nit-picky about all my posts ( great example would be attempting to belittle my "out of the box" comment ) and I'll cease using the word speculate. Probably a bit immature on my behalf at times but I envision people at their laptops seething whenever "the" word is used

From one of the great movies of the last ten years- " the monkeys out of the bottle now... once pandora jumps out of the box, she can't jump back in"

Without Bunn for a while, it will allow other players to enhance their play and develop important roles, and when Peter gets back, they will be that much stronger.

[cambria321]

Anyone have an update on where Chris Fear may have landed, now that Dana closed down?

He is the assistant men's basketball coach at Midland Lutheran College - Nebraska.

[northb]

Adrian's roster, I don't see anyone obvious missing, looks like everyone returned, and don't know anything about the new kids.

http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/roster

And I thought Calvin was young.

1 senior
2 juniors
9 sophomores
3 freshmen

Hmm....

"Bulldog pups"?

[Dark Knight]

Adrian's roster, I don't see anyone obvious missing, looks like everyone returned, and don't know anything about the new kids.

http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/roster

And I thought Calvin was young.

1 senior
2 juniors
9 sophomores
3 freshmen

Hmm....

"Bulldog pups"?

"Calfpups"?

[realist]

"Men's Poll Results (First-place votes in parenthesis): 1. Hope (6) 9 pts. 2. Calvin (2) 14. 3. Olivet 17. 4. Adrian 28. 5. Albion 30. 6. Kalamazoo 38. 6. Trine 38. 8. Alma 49."

[KnightSlappy]

"Men's Poll Results (First-place votes in parenthesis): 1. Hope (6) 9 pts. 2. Calvin (2) 14. 3. Olivet 17. 4. Adrian 28. 5. Albion 30. 6. Kalamazoo 38. 6. Trine 38. 8. Alma 49."

A few things we learn from this:

KVS gave a first place vote to Hope
MN gave a first place vote to Calvin
The other coach that voted for Calvin put Hope third (presumably not the Olivet coach).
Everyone voted Alma last

Also, the point totals don't add up. Can coaches vote ties?

[ziggy]

"Men's Poll Results (First-place votes in parenthesis): 1. Hope (6) 9 pts. 2. Calvin (2) 14. 3. Olivet 17. 4. Adrian 28. 5. Albion 30. 6. Kalamazoo 38. 6. Trine 38. 8. Alma 49."

A few things we learn from this:

KVS gave a first place vote to Hope
MN gave a first place vote to Calvin
The other coach that voted for Calvin put Hope third (presumably not the Olivet coach).
Everyone voted Alma last

Also, the point totals don't add up. Can coaches vote ties?

Technically someone else did receive one "last" place vote, assuming Alma was allowed to vote. 

[oldknight]

"Men's Poll Results (First-place votes in parenthesis): 1. Hope (6) 9 pts. 2. Calvin (2) 14. 3. Olivet 17. 4. Adrian 28. 5. Albion 30. 6. Kalamazoo 38. 6. Trine 38. 8. Alma 49."

A few things we learn from this:

KVS gave a first place vote to Hope
MN gave a first place vote to Calvin
The other coach that voted for Calvin put Hope third (presumably not the Olivet coach).

Interesting. One of the coaches from the group of Adrian, Albion, Alma, Kalamazoo, and Trine must have started their ballot: 1. Calvin, 2. Olivet, 3. Hope. Inquiring minds would like to know which coach thinks Hope will finish third.

[northb]

"Men's Poll Results (First-place votes in parenthesis): 1. Hope (6) 9 pts. 2. Calvin (2) 14. 3. Olivet 17. 4. Adrian 28. 5. Albion 30. 6. Kalamazoo 38. 6. Trine 38. 8. Alma 49."

A few things we learn from this:

KVS gave a first place vote to Hope
MN gave a first place vote to Calvin
The other coach that voted for Calvin put Hope third (presumably not the Olivet coach).

Interesting. One of the coaches from the group of Adrian, Albion, Alma, Kalamazoo, and Trine must have started their ballot: 1. Calvin, 2. Olivet, 3. Hope. Inquiring minds would like to know which coach thinks Hope will finish third.

Prolly why it is not an open ballot....

[Gregory Sager]

He will be out for some time.  what are the possibilities/probabilities of a medical red-shirt in D3.  I knew he had been out for most of the fall but had no idea of the severity of the issue, until this afternoon.  I'll let SAC tell people what's up, or wait until the Sentinel does its job, don't want people to think I'm speculating. 

Now the notion of putting Krombeen and Overway on the floor together doesn't seem so farfetched.  FWIW, I've told told tanis has looked pretty impressive.  Maybe if he's not looking over his shoulder to see when he gets pulled, he will play to his potential this fall.  One can only hope...

I don't think he would even need a medical redshirt to play next season if he sat the year out. My understanding is that you basically get 5 years to use up 4 years of eligibility in D3. (I think Kent Raymond of Wheaton went this route?)

I'll add for the sake of clarity that it's five years of full-time enrollment, not five calendar years. It's called the "10-semesters / 15-quarters" rule. Remember, folks, there is no "clock" in D3. In D3's academic context, your eligibility is measured by how many semesters or quarters you've been enrolled as a full-time student at a post-secondary institution of learning, not by the date of your matriculation.

To continue with the Kent Raymond example, he played as a freshman and then sat out his sophomore season. He then went on to play as a junior and as a senior, and then finished up his career as an "eligibility senior" while taking courses in Wheaton's graduate school. He had a job offer from a former Wheaton basketball player in Florida that he passed up in order to go to grad school and use that fifth and final year of eligibility. But if he had so chosen, he could've gone down to Florida, worked there for a few years, decided that he wanted to complete his basketball career after all, and then returned to Wheaton as a grad student and played one final year of basketball at the age of 27 (or 37, or 47, or whatever).

Kent Raymond decided before practice even began to sit out the year. My understanding (not guaranteed to be accurate) is that if you practice with the team once the legal practice time has begun, you've used a year of eligibility UNLESS there is a medical redshirt.

Incorrect. A season of eligibility is used once a student-athlete practices or plays in a game during or after the team's first game of the season. Here it is as spelled out in Section 14 of the NCAA Division III Manual:

14.2.4 Criteria for Determining Season of Eligibility.
14.2.4.1 Minimum Amount of Participation. A season of intercollegiate participation shall be counted in the student-athlete's sport when a student-athlete participates (practices or competes) during or after the first contest in the traditional segment following the student-athlete's initial participation of that academic year at that institution or when the student-athlete engages in intercollegiate competition during the nontraditional segment in that sport. This provision is applicable to intercollegiate athletics participation (practice or competition) conducted by a Division III collegiate institution at the varsity, junior varsity or freshman team level. (Revised: 1/11/94, 1/11/00 effective 8/1/00, 1/8/01, 1/12/04 effective 8/1/04, for any athletics participation occurring on or after 8/1/04, 9/21/05, 11/16/05, 1/8/07 effective 8/1/07, for participation occurring on or after 8/1/07, 10/15/08)
14.2.4.1.1 Exceptions. A season of participation shall not be counted:
(a) During the traditional segment when a student-athlete participates in a preseason scrimmage or preseason exhibition conducted prior to the first contest following the student-athlete's initial participation of that academic year at that institution; and (Adopted: 1/12/04 effective 8/1/04, for athletics participation occurring on or after 8/1/04, Revised: 1/10/05, 1/8/07 effective 8/1/07, for participation occurring on or after 8/1/07)

I believe they are only given if you play no more than 30% (?) of the games at the beginning of the season, then go down.

No, a hardship waiver (aka medical redshirt) can be granted if a student-athlete participates in up to one-third of the regular-season schedule of contests, which in the case of basketball means eight games. Again, from Section 14 of the NCAA Division III Manual:

14.2.5 Hardship Waiver. A student-athlete may be granted an additional year of participation (per Bylaw 14.2.4) by the conference or the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for reasons of "hardship." Hardship is defined as an incapacity resulting from a season-ending injury or illness that has occurred under all of the following conditions: (Revised: 1/12/04 effective 8/1/04, for any athletics participation occurring on or after 8/1/04, 8/23/07)
(a) The season-ending injury or illness occurs before the completion of the first half of the traditional playing season in that sport for the season being waived and results in incapacity to compete for the remainder of the traditional playing season. The first half of the traditional playing season is measured by the maximum contest or date of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) limitation in each sport as set forth in Bylaw 17 plus one contest or date of competition. For cross country and indoor and outdoor track and field, see Bylaw 14.2.5.2.5.1; and (Revised: 1/10/05, for any competition occurring on or after 8/1/04, 1/9/06, 8/23/07, 1/16/10 effective for injuries or illnesses that occur before 8/1/10, 4/13/10)
(b) The season-ending injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not competed in more than one-third of the maximum contest or date of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) limitation in each sport (as set forth in Bylaw 17) plus one contest or date of competition. For cross country and indoor and outdoor track and field, see Bylaw 14.2.5.2.5.1. Only competition (excluding preseason scrimmages and exhibition contests but including scrimmages and exhibitions after the first regularly scheduled contest) against outside participants during the traditional playing season, or, if so designated, during the official NCAA championship playing season in that sport (e.g., spring baseball, fall soccer), shall be countable under this limitation in calculating the number of contests or dates of competition in which the student-athlete has competed. [See Figure 14.1] (Revised: 1/10/92, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 1/10/05, for any competition occurring on or after 8/1/04, 4/7/05, 1/9/06, 8/23/07, 1/16/10 effective for injuries or illnesses that occur before 8/1/10, 4/13/10)

[goodknight]

Not sure how much floor time this young man will get at Adrian College, but he'll be force with which to be reckoned for public address announcers and the play-by-play radio guys:

#44 - Babajide Bamiduro
Position: C
Year: Freshman
Hometown: Southfield, Mich.
High School: UD Jesuit
Height: 6-9
Weight: 205

[realist]

Not sure how much floor time this young man will get at Adrian College, but he'll be force with which to be reckoned for public address announcers and the play-by-play radio guys:

#44 - Babajide Bamiduro
Position: C
Year: Freshman
Hometown: Southfield, Mich.
High School: UD Jesuit
Height: 6-9
Weight: 205

What about this guy, and R. Reed at 6 11" 220 lbs as twin towers?  The only way I can get Adrian to #4 is thinking there must be a sleeper somewhere in the Adrian roster we haven't recognized. 
The returning 7 players saw 116 mpg last year so some new guys will have to step up.