MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[KnightSlappy]

I know many will disagree but I just don't think it's helpful.  Enough said.

Nothing written on this board, a blog, or a newspaper is actually helpful to a team, is it? These spaces are for fans, not players or coaches.

[oldknight]

Grading out the Knights:

Not so sure this is an appropritate route to take with these young student athletes.  Certainly not after one game.

Sorry to offend anyone.  I tried to keep everything pretty positive and since a good number of Calvin fans probably weren't at the game, I thought that folks would be interested in how the guys looked, individually as well as collectively.  My grades were based simply on last night's performance and not on the players in general.  Either way, I can refrain in the future if this type of post is frowned upon. Again, sorry.

Something tells me that today's practice with KVS was just a touch tougher than anything HCG wrote on this board.

[pointlem]

KnightSlappy, your Calvin blog is terrific . . . reminds me of what Titan Q does for Illinois Wesleyan.  Interesting insights, cool stats, and good writing.  Keep on.

[Knight2Day]

Grading out the Knights:

Not so sure this is an appropritate route to take with these young student athletes.  Certainly not after one game.

Sorry to offend anyone.  I tried to keep everything pretty positive and since a good number of Calvin fans probably weren't at the game, I thought that folks would be interested in how the guys looked, individually as well as collectively.  My grades were based simply on last night's performance and not on the players in general.  Either way, I can refrain in the future if this type of post is frowned upon. Again, sorry.

HCG, I was at the game as well and your analysis was spot on. I think Brink deserved a little higher grade but thats just me, other than that, well done. Keep up the analysis, the majority of us appreciate your input and don't see COLLEGE PLAYERS (regardless of division even though I guess D1 players are more mature than D3) as children who can't take criticism.

[David Collinge]

Grading out the Knights:

Not so sure this is an appropritate route to take with these young student athletes.  Certainly not after one game.

Sorry to offend anyone.  I tried to keep everything pretty positive and since a good number of Calvin fans probably weren't at the game, I thought that folks would be interested in how the guys looked, individually as well as collectively.  My grades were based simply on last night's performance and not on the players in general.  Either way, I can refrain in the future if this type of post is frowned upon. Again, sorry.

HCG, I was at the game as well and your analysis was spot on. I think Brink deserved a little higher grade but thats just me, other than that, well done. Keep up the analysis, the majority of us appreciate your input and don't see COLLEGE PLAYERS (regardless of division even though I guess D1 players are more mature than D3) as children who can't take criticism.

In other words, Knight2Day gives Happy Calvin Guy an A-.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Here's a list of the in-region games MIAA teams will be playing this season.  Game's in ()'s are potential matchups in tournaments.

Adrian
Dec 15  @ Defiance

Albion  1-0
Albion 66 Ohio Wesleyan 57
Nov 19  vs Kenyon
Nov 23  vs Heidelberg
(Dec 30  @ Defiance)

Alma
Dec 8 @ Heidelberg
Dec 10 vs Oberlin
Dec 17 vs Finlandia

Calvin
(Nov 20  vs either Heidelberg or Ohio Wesleyan)
(Nov 27 vs Hope at Aquinas)
(Dec 30 vs DePauw at Elmhurst)

Hope
(Nov 27 vs Calvin at Aquinas)
Dec 4 vs Wheaton at Carthage
Dec 21 vs Lake Forest at Orlando
Dec 22 vs Dominican at Orlando

Kalamazoo 0-1
Defiance 90 Kalamazoo 76
Nov 20  vs Anderson
Nov 23  vs Manchester
Nov 27  @ Bluffton
Dec 4    @ Kenyon
Dec 6    vs Oberlin
Dec 9    @ Elmhurst
Dec 11  vs Chicago
Dec 29  vs Geneva at Case Western
(Dec 30  vs Earlham or Case Western at Case Western)

Olivet
Nov 22  @ Anderson
Nov 27  @ Case Western
Dec 1    vs Elmhurst


Trine   0-1
Franklin 89 Trine 86 OT
(Nov 20 at Mt. St. Joseph)
Nov 23  vs Mt. Union
Nov 27  vs Heidelberg
Dec 1    vs Ohio Northern
Dec 4    @ North Park
Dec 11  @ DePauw
Dec 21  vs Dominican


29 for sure  matchups 7 more maybe's,  16 involve Trine or Kalamazoo...So root hard for the Hornets and Thunder.

Pretty amazing that 2 teams account for potentially more than half of all in-region games for an 8 team league. Kalamazoo particularly proves that it's possible to schedule more in-region games. I've always taken the position I'd like to see Hope and Calvin particularly schedule more in-region games and this just reinforces my opinion.

[Civic Minded]

Pretty amazing that 2 teams account for potentially more than half of all in-region games for an 8 team league. Kalamazoo particularly proves that it's possible to schedule more in-region games. I've always taken the position I'd like to see Hope and Calvin particularly schedule more in-region games and this just reinforces my opinion.

You're missing one key ingredient...Hope and Calvin's records.  It is, in fact, more difficult to schedule in-region games if your potential opponent feels that the game could result in a loss for them that could affect a potential pool c bid.  This continues to be a struggle.  It's not that Hope at least (can't speak for Calvin) isn't trying to get those games scheduled.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pretty amazing that 2 teams account for potentially more than half of all in-region games for an 8 team league. Kalamazoo particularly proves that it's possible to schedule more in-region games. I've always taken the position I'd like to see Hope and Calvin particularly schedule more in-region games and this just reinforces my opinion.

You're missing one key ingredient...Hope and Calvin's records.  It is, in fact, more difficult to schedule in-region games if your potential opponent feels that the game could result in a loss for them that could affect a potential pool c bid.  This continues to be a struggle.  It's not that Hope at least (can't speak for Calvin) isn't trying to get those games scheduled.

I may be wrong (it DOES happen! ), but I'm dubious that any of the Chicago-land schools would be 'ducking' you.  You already play Wheaton, of course, but have you seriously tried North Park, Elmhurst, North Central, Aurora, etc.?

[KnightSlappy]

Pretty amazing that 2 teams account for potentially more than half of all in-region games for an 8 team league. Kalamazoo particularly proves that it's possible to schedule more in-region games. I've always taken the position I'd like to see Hope and Calvin particularly schedule more in-region games and this just reinforces my opinion.

You're missing one key ingredient...Hope and Calvin's records.  It is, in fact, more difficult to schedule in-region games if your potential opponent feels that the game could result in a loss for them that could affect a potential pool c bid.  This continues to be a struggle.  It's not that Hope at least (can't speak for Calvin) isn't trying to get those games scheduled.

I may be wrong (it DOES happen! ), but I'm dubious that any of the Chicago-land schools would be 'ducking' you.  You already play Wheaton, of course, but have you seriously tried North Park, Elmhurst, North Central, Aurora, etc.?

North Park is a possibility for Calvin. The Knights are playing at the Elmhurst tournament this year, and North Central and Aurora are out of region.

[KnightSlappy]

I posted it last year, but it's a yearly discussion, so it's always relevant. Calvin's possible in-region opponents.

	Team	Conference	Miles
1	Hope Flying Dutchmen	MIAA	35
2	Kalamazoo Hornets	MIAA	54
3	Olivet Comets	MIAA	64
4	Alma Scots	MIAA	86
5	Albion Britons	MIAA	92
6	Trine Thunder	MIAA	129
7	Adrian Bulldogs	MIAA	136
8	Manchester	HCAC	149
9	Defiance	HCAC	174
10	Chicago	UAA	175
11	North Park	CCIW	190
12	Concordia (Ill.)	NathCon	192
13	Dominican	NathCon	192
14	Elmhurst	CCIW	198
15	Heidelberg Student Princes	OAC	230
16	Ohio Northern Polar Bears	OAC	242
17	Anderson	HCAC	260
18	Oberlin Yeomen	NCAC	269
19	Earlham Quakers	NCAC / HCAC	279
20	Baldwin-Wallace Yellow Jackets	OAC	285
21	Ohio Wesleyan Battling Bishops	NCAC	290
22	Case Western Reserve Spartans	UAA	297
23	Wooster Scots	NCAC	299
24	John Carroll Blue Streaks	OAC	302
25	Wabash Little Giants	NCAC	306
26	Otterbein Cardinals	OAC	314
27	Capital Crusaders	OAC	321
28	Franklin	HCAC	324
29	Rose-Hulman	HCAC	324
30	Hiram Terriers	NCAC	325
31	Kenyon Lords/Ladies	NCAC	327
32	DePauw Tigers	SCAC	337
33	Wittenberg Tigers	NCAC	338
34	Denison Big Red	NCAC	351
35	Mount Union Purple Raiders	OAC	351
36	Westminster (Pa.) Titans	PrAC	370
37	Geneva Golden Tornadoes *	PrAC	378
38	Wilmington Quakers	OAC	381
39	Mount St. Joseph	HCAC	383
40	Thomas More Saints	PrAC	384
41	Grove City Wolverines	PrAC	386
42	Muskingum Muskies	OAC	391
43	Thiel Tomcats	PrAC	391
44	Penn State-Behrend Lions	AMCC	398
45	Hanover	HCAC	406
46	Franciscan (Ohio) Barons *	AMCC	407
47	Allegheny Gators	NCAC	411
48	Carnegie Mellon Tartans	UAA	412
49	Spalding	SLIAC	414
50	Bethany Bison	PrAC	424
51	Washington and Jefferson Presidents	PrAC	433
52	Pitt-Greensburg Bobcats	AMCC	440
53	Marietta Pioneers	OAC	443
54	St. Vincent Bearcats *	PrAC	447
55	Waynesburg Yellow Jackets	PrAC	454
56	Transylvania	HCAC	457
57	Centre Colonels	SCAC	493
58	Frostburg State Bobcats	AMCC	507
59	Finlandia	IND	510
60	Shenandoah Hornets	USAC	597
61	Maryville (Tenn.) Scots	GSAC	643
62	Marymount	CAC	643
63	Roanoke Maroons	ODAC	651
64	Emory and Henry Wasps	ODAC	654
65	Eastern Mennonite Royals	ODAC	661
66	Washington and Lee Generals	ODAC	662
67	Bridgewater (Va.) Eagles	ODAC	670
68	Sewanee Tigers	SCAC	678
69	Rhodes Lynx	SCAC	684
70	Mary Washington	CAC	695
71	Ferrum Panthers	USAC	696
72	Lynchburg Hornets	ODAC	710
73	Randolph Wildcats	ODAC	715
74	Guilford Quakers	ODAC	722
75	Greensboro Pride	USAC	725
76	Averett Cougars	USAC	727
77	Rust Bearcats	IND	729
78	Randolph-Macon Yellow Jackets	ODAC	733
79	Hampden-Sydney Tigers	ODAC	763
80	Birmingham-Southern Panthers *	SCAC	779
81	Christopher Newport Captains	USAC	812
82	Piedmont Lions	GSAC	818
83	Hendrix Warriors	SCAC	824
84	Oglethorpe Petrels	SCAC	832
85	Virginia Wesleyan Marlins	ODAC	834
86	Emory Eagles	UAA	836
87	Methodist Monarchs	USAC	865
88	Huntingdon Hawks	GSAC	870
89	North Carolina Wesleyan Bishops	USAC	870
90	Millsaps Majors	SCAC	886
91	University of the Ozarks Eagles	ASC	893
92	LaGrange Panthers	GSAC	896
93	Mississippi College Choctaws	ASC	896
94	Louisiana College Wildcats	ASC	1025

[Mr. Ypsi]

KS, I would think Aurora must be within 200 miles - am I wrong?

[sac]

KS, I would think Aurora must be within 200 miles - am I wrong?

Aurora is 214 without using addresses, and since Aurora is West of its city center and Calvin East of Grand Rapids, there is no way they are closer.

[Mr. Ypsi]

KS, I would think Aurora must be within 200 miles - am I wrong?

Aurora is 214 without using addresses, and since Aurora is West of its city center and Calvin East of Grand Rapids, there is no way they are closer.

Since Aurora is right on I-80 (while the others are north), I guess I underestimated how far west it was.

Still in-region for Hope.

[sac]

Pretty amazing that 2 teams account for potentially more than half of all in-region games for an 8 team league. Kalamazoo particularly proves that it's possible to schedule more in-region games. I've always taken the position I'd like to see Hope and Calvin particularly schedule more in-region games and this just reinforces my opinion.

You're missing one key ingredient...Hope and Calvin's records.  It is, in fact, more difficult to schedule in-region games if your potential opponent feels that the game could result in a loss for them that could affect a potential pool c bid.  This continues to be a struggle.  It's not that Hope at least (can't speak for Calvin) isn't trying to get those games scheduled.

I may be wrong (it DOES happen! ), but I'm dubious that any of the Chicago-land schools would be 'ducking' you.  You already play Wheaton, of course, but have you seriously tried North Park, Elmhurst, North Central, Aurora, etc.?

At one time or another Hope has played all of those teams Chuck, sometimes the open dates don't work out.  North Park hasn't played Hope in a number of years now, but they were one of the original four teams in the whole CCIW/MIAA challenge discussions started 7 years ago.  I forget why NP decided not to participate.  At the time Carthage was believed to be in-region for Hope......then things got 'technical'.

Hope is playing Lake Forest, Dominican and Wheaton all from the Chicagoland this year.

There is no easy button for scheduling.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Granted that scheduling is always a two-way deal, but it seems that every time Hope (or Calvin) needs a pool C, their lack of in-region games comes back to haunt them.  My interest is in getting the MIAA more than one team in (Olivet?  Albion?  etc., you listening?)  The overall MIAA needs more in-region games (wins, of course! ), but Hope and Calvin (as the perennial leaders) seem to be the worst offenders.