MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[David Collinge]

19

Earlham Quakers

NCAC / HCAC

279

Unless you're thinking of field hockey, you can scratch the "NCAC" from this line.

This is very cool, by the way.  Nice work.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Grading out the Knights:

Not so sure this is an appropritate route to take with these young student athletes.  Certainly not after one game.

C'mon Wiz.  This hyper sensitivity to competition and criticism is being taken a bit to far.  Absolutely nothing wrong with what HCG wrote up.  Should HCG just have given out participation awards to players instead?

Here would be HCG's alternate game report under your guidelines:

-Danny Rodts:  I was at the game and observed that Danny participated in the game action.
-Tom Snikkers:  Tom also participated in the game.
-Mitch Vallie:  Mitch participated too, though not as much as Danny and Tom.

This is what people are talking about on this board when they say there is a "holier than thou" attitude.  I'm pretty sure these "young student athletes" are going to be evaluated and "graded" when it comes to this semester's midterms or even after college when performance review time comes along in in whatever career and job they choose after college.  They can most likely handle it now, and if not, this will help them to learn to handle grading performances for the time that they hit the real working world.  That is assuming they even see something on an internet forum chat.

Folks this is a internet message board forum, don't be so uptight. 

HCG, thank you for a nice game report and observations for those that couldn't make it or live out of town.

Thank you for the kind words.  I am no journalist, but since I was fortunate to enjoy the game in person, my intention was to add some color to the box score for those who weren't there. 

I believe Wiz is correct that it can be accomplished just as well without giving letter grades.  I don't think that Wiz had an issue with the observations themselves, just the fact that it was in a letter grade format, and I think his suggestion is a good one.  Let's leave it at that!   

[realist]

Perhaps those who feel strongly the "in region" definitions need to be reviewed should address their concerns to Pres. Bultman at Hope.  If anyone is in a position to further this cause it surely must be him.

Every year when this conversation comes up I suggest that each school has it's own "in region" group based on the 100 nearest D3 schools.  A new list, structured this way, would surely make more sense (using the NCAA's own words) than the 94 on Calvin's current list.

Another answer to "in region" would be for the MIAA to go to a triple round robin.  Many years the SOS than would be higher than it presently is.  Having Kalamazoo play 10 "in region" games, and losing most of them does not help anyone except the teams that get the "in region" win against Kalamazoo.

[KnightSlappy]

19

Earlham Quakers

NCAC / HCAC

279

Unless you're thinking of field hockey, you can scratch the "NCAC" from this line.

This is very cool, by the way.  Nice work.

Yeah, I made the list last year before the switch but haven't updated it. The provisional *'s may need to be updated too, haven't looked at that either.

[ziggy]

Perhaps those who feel strongly the "in region" definitions need to be reviewed should address their concerns to Pres. Bultman at Hope.  If anyone is in a position to further this cause it surely must be him.

Every year when this conversation comes up I suggest that each school has it's own "in region" group based on the 100 nearest D3 schools.  A new list, structured this way, would surely make more sense (using the NCAA's own words) than the 94 on Calvin's current list.

Another answer to "in region" would be for the MIAA to go to a triple round robin.  Many years the SOS than would be higher than it presently is.  Having Kalamazoo play 10 "in region" games, and losing most of them does not help anyone except the teams that get the "in region" win against Kalamazoo.

It's starting to look like a triple round-robin!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI

That would likely mean the end of the MIAA tournament, I'm not sure if that would be a popular move within the league.

[sac]

Tuesday night Cornerstone beat NAIA II pre-season #1 and defending National Champion St. Francis 92-89 in OT @ St. Francis.

Cornerstone is 4-0 and was ranked #4 pre-season.  There's a chance the Eagles will be 6-0 when they face Hope the first night of the Hall of Fame Classic on the 26th.

At least Hope will have 1 game under the belt by then.

[northb]

Perhaps those who feel strongly the "in region" definitions need to be reviewed should address their concerns to Pres. Bultman at Hope.  If anyone is in a position to further this cause it surely must be him.

Every year when this conversation comes up I suggest that each school has it's own "in region" group based on the 100 nearest D3 schools.  A new list, structured this way, would surely make more sense (using the NCAA's own words) than the 94 on Calvin's current list.

Another answer to "in region" would be for the MIAA to go to a triple round robin.  Many years the SOS than would be higher than it presently is.  Having Kalamazoo play 10 "in region" games, and losing most of them does not help anyone except the teams that get the "in region" win against Kalamazoo.

The one hundred schools idea would only work if it were reciprocal (i.e., if School A is one of the 100 closest schools to School B, or if School B is one of the 100 closest to School A, then they count).  Not having looked at a map, let's say that a school in Pennsylvania was one of the 100 closest to a certain Michigan School.  That PA school might have many more schools that are geographically closer to the East than to the West, so the game would be in region for the MI school but not for the PA school?  By the time you mess around with all that, why not just go to "any D-3 school counts?"

Wouldn't the triple round robin always result in an even (.500?) SOS?

[realist]

Good point NB.   In my mind I made it that if it was "in region" for one of the schools it was automatically "in region" for the second school.  Even with some schools close together it still beats having teams  1,000 miles away as "in region" while some 202 miles away aren't.

Well a .500 SOS would sure be better than the .432 last 2 years, and much better than most years on Sac's list.

[ziggy]

Found a decidedly one-sided highlight video from Calvin's game at Ferris: http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2010/11/calvin-ferris-it-wasnt-as-bad-as-this.html
Take it for what it's worth.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Found a decidedly one-sided highlight video from Calvin's game at Ferris: http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2010/11/calvin-ferris-it-wasnt-as-bad-as-this.html
Take it for what it's worth.

Both of Calvin's opponents so far this year have an enormous inflatable head of their mascot with an open mouth that their players run through when they emerge onto the court.  Not sure this trend would play very well with most of the mascots we have in the MIAA.   

[ziggy]

Found a decidedly one-sided highlight video from Calvin's game at Ferris: http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2010/11/calvin-ferris-it-wasnt-as-bad-as-this.html
Take it for what it's worth.

Both of Calvin's opponents so far this year have an enormous inflatable head of their mascot with an open mouth that their players run through when they emerge onto the court.  Not sure this trend would play very well with most of the mascots we have in the MIAA.   

Would you rather run out of a Briton or a Scot?

[realist]

What does a "Thunder" look like?

[sac]

What does a "Thunder" look like?

I think it could be done.

[sac]

Well a .500 SOS would sure be better than the .432 last 2 years, and much better than most years on Sac's list.

Last year the in-region record of the league (excluding conf games) was 17-24 or .414.......when you add in the 63 conference games (including the 7 miaa tournament games) the SOS goes to .479

The .432 is all non-conference games.   The league actually did ok last season, but Kzoo struggled to a 1-8 in-region record, and Alma was 0-5.....that hurt.



side note:  Interesting that despite all the lectures about how easy it is to schedule in-region games (for the I don't know 10th year in a row) the MIAA will have fewer in-region games this year overall.

[Pat Coleman]

I will find it interesting to see if Hope's schedule changes over the next few years now that the head coach has changed.