MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

I guess my public university degree is letting me down because I'm not entirely following your recent attack on me SAC.  I didn't start a rumor (don't care enough about it) about a 2pg back court but it was written about in the sentinel.  May have bought into the discussion but I don't remember talking about Colten(not a big fan...yet) and David together, I'm sure you can dig up my comments but I don't care to.  Can someone link up the article in the Sentinel for me?

What rumor are you referring to in the post you have highlighted?

 Is it a rumor if it is indeed true? Because I've been pretty dead-nuts on thus far.

If someone already commented about David and Peter (2pg) back court, my apologies.  I tend to lightly read most posts (not on a daily basis), not analyze, break down, nit-pick, refute everything that I don't agree with ala Master SAC.  It's HIGHLY unlikely that I'm the only person to reiterate something on this board, without going as far as beating it....a dead horse I mean  

You're one smug son of a bitch aren't you?  I have attempted to apologize and bury the hatchet, even acknowledged some errors in judgment but you simply can't let me be a member of this board can you?  I've even refrained from any "rumors",even if they are true and you didn't hear it first, as of late and simply tried to keep it on hoops.  Haven't even bashed GVW for showing up to the games, walking out in front of the bench Friday night as the team entered the gym, randomly coincidental or course....

Guessing my Karma will take a beating on this one.....  Feel free to pick apart my grammar too

rumor was your own word so I used it again tonight, but you were the one who brought it up on the board a few weeks ago........and yes I did refute it, because you felt Hope was "thinking out of the box" and I pointed out that it had been done before.  Initially I linked a comment you made, then followed it up a while later with a little more of my thoughts, but it was mostly in response to the Sentinel article.    You took it as some kind of nit picky attack on you.  Can't help you with that but it wasn't.

I'm not the one here who's made this personal, I can't recall a single post where I've used your name, called you a name yet you've managed to do so at least 2 times recently.   All I did was ask you to quite carrying on about repeatedly posting with some smart ass/crass remarks about speculating, but you continued for over 5 months.  I did try in May and June to get you understand that your running to the board every time you spoke to someone at Hope was probably a bad idea..but you wouldn't take the hints.  That's probably as personal as I got with you.

I believe you and I have private message'd many times over the course of the past 3 or 4 seasons and we've shared plenty of information others haven't, I've never had any reason to dislike anything you've posted.  But sometime around a year ago your approach to this board, and other posters has changed.   You seem to be looking for any reason to put others (mostly me) down.  Many of your posts contain backhanded statements directed at something that someone had recently posted (again mostly me).

You seem to get really upset when people check facts, I really don't see what the problem is when that happens.  There are many readers and I'm sure they'd rather read statements backed up by facts, than just some random statement that may or not be true.


I'm not saying I haven't contributed to the un-easyness (mostly the Hope contingent, you might notice there aren't many around) with which people approach this board these days.  Many times I wish I wouldn't respond and just go about my business (whatever that is).  I think if people actually read what I've posted over the past 2 years and keep in mind that 99.9% of the time I'm actually pretty lighthearted about all of this, they'd find I've mostly kept to myself and haven't really responded to others much.  Its all in the archives.  For quite awhile I've felt like anytime I try to take part in any kind of discussion it ends up being that no matter what I say or do, I end up being made to look like the bad guy.

For example, this whole speculation/I tell people what they can talk about on the board....crap (and it is/was crap)

I would suggest that speculation may be fun, but is pointless and potentially harmful.

ditto

That was it........I posted ditto........and I become the focus of so much ire it was pretty ridiculous.   


I don't even know how to end this, except to say I'm tired.

[sac]

For what it's worth, my karma took a hit (from someone unknown) when I suggested that the verb "eluded" in a posting by the Grand Poobah probably should have read "alluded to."  Don't feel like the Loan Arranger, Hoopdreams.

I really don't like the term Grand Poobah, you can just call me Scott, or sac though I don't really like that, its just my initials.

I also don't like it when people refer to me as the board leader, etc. etc.........I didn't start this board, nor is it mine.   I post more than others that is true, though I'm pretty sure that over the last couple years I'm not in the top 2 posters on this board anymore.  I just have a genuine interest in the MIAA and Hope basketball, have for years and if I ever get bored of this..uh board, I'll continue to have that interest.  At least I think so, this 180 miles of driving to see a game thing isn't working out well.


For  the record, I hate the karma system and have hated it since day one and have been on record many times that I'd like to see Pat get rid of it, but he seems to like it.  I think I get blamed for a lot of negatives that I had nothing to do with.

[Dark Knight]

The first Massey ratings of the season are out. Only 3-6 games are represented, so it's an early poll -- it could change considerably in coming weeks.

Calvin    #12   11.2
Hope      #27    8.4
Olivet    #37    6.3
Albion    #93    1.6
Trine     #121  -2.3
Alma      #207  -6.4
Adrian    #270  -8.1
Kzoo      #269  -8.8

The MIAA came in as the 10th best conference, but it was nearly a tie between conferences 7-10. This is the strongest showing for the MIAA in several years.

My estimates weren't too far off despite being based on last year's Massey power--off by an average of 1.8 points.

And Aquinas isn't as bad as people are saying, though they did have a bad weekend. Even with the two blowout losses, they have a Massey power of 2.2, behind Olivet but ahead of Albion.

[pointlem]

Sac and Hoopdreams, put it behind you.  Sac, you didn't start the board but you've been the preeminent contributor of information and game reporting.  And HoopDreams you, too, have had insights not available in the papers.  Like the esteemed Calvin contributors and others, you both make this interesting reading for lots of us who love the game and the purity of D3 basketball.  Keep on.

[Dark Knight]

Massey's predictions for the MIAA-CICW challenge:

Calvin over Wheaton by 2 (58% likelihood of Calvin win)
Carthage over Hope by 3  (60%)
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Carthage over Calvin by <1 (50%)
Wheaton over Hope by 1 (52%)

The teams are so close that Massey makes Carthage nearly the weakest team of the four but the favorite in both games by virtue of home court advantage.

Massey has made lots of new info available, such as how the teams "should" have done for each game. Here is how Calvin did compared to how it "should" have done, starting with the Ferris St scrimmage which Massey counts as a game:

-14 -3 -7 +12 +10 +12

Anyone see a trend?

N.B. without the Ferris St. scrimmage, Calvin's power would be a couple of points higher, closer to my earlier estimate.

[KnightSlappy]

Massey has made lots of new info available, such as how the teams "should" have done for each game. Here is how Calvin did compared to how it "should" have done, starting with the Ferris St scrimmage which Massey counts as a game:

-14 -3 -7 +12 +10 +12

Anyone see a trend?

N.B. without the Ferris St. scrimmage, Calvin's power would be a couple of points higher, closer to my earlier estimate.

The cool thing is that this really lines up well with the eye test. I think we all can attest to the improvement we've seen already, interesting that Massey also notes it. Love this stuff.

Massey rates Cornerstone as the #1 and Davenport as the #3 NAIA II team in the country.

[Dark Knight]

Massey has made lots of new info available, such as how the teams "should" have done for each game. Here is how Calvin did compared to how it "should" have done, starting with the Ferris St scrimmage which Massey counts as a game:

-14 -3 -7 +12 +10 +12

Anyone see a trend?

N.B. without the Ferris St. scrimmage, Calvin's power would be a couple of points higher, closer to my earlier estimate.

The cool thing is that this really lines up well with the eye test. I think we all can attest to the improvement we've seen already, interesting that Massey also notes it. Love this stuff.

Massey rates Cornerstone as the #1 and Davenport as the #3 NAIA II team in the country.

One more interesting note. If you look at Calvin's power for the last three games, it looks like it would be about 11 points higher than Massey's current estimate. Let's see..uh.. that would put Calvin at #1 in the nation, just a hair ahead of Stevens Pt...

[KnightSlappy]

Massey has made lots of new info available, such as how the teams "should" have done for each game. Here is how Calvin did compared to how it "should" have done, starting with the Ferris St scrimmage which Massey counts as a game:

-14 -3 -7 +12 +10 +12

Anyone see a trend?

N.B. without the Ferris St. scrimmage, Calvin's power would be a couple of points higher, closer to my earlier estimate.

The cool thing is that this really lines up well with the eye test. I think we all can attest to the improvement we've seen already, interesting that Massey also notes it. Love this stuff.

Massey rates Cornerstone as the #1 and Davenport as the #3 NAIA II team in the country.

One more interesting note. If you look at Calvin's power for the last three games, it looks like it would be about 11 points higher than Massey's current estimate. Let's see..uh.. that would put Calvin at #1 in the nation, just a hair ahead of Stevens Pt...

But we should keep in mind that in a three game stretch, or even a five game stretch, the ratings probably contain a significant amount of noise.

[Dark Knight]

Sac and Hoopdreams, put it behind you.  Sac, you didn't start the board but you've been the preeminent contributor of information and game reporting.  And HoopDreams you, too, have had insights not available in the papers.  Like the esteemed Calvin contributors and others, you both make this interesting reading for lots of us who love the game and the purity of D3 basketball.  Keep on.

Let me add my 'amen'. Both of your contributions to the board have been interesting, and Sac, uh, Scott, you've been adding many valuable and informative posts for many years. Keep it up.

[sac]

Just one game again today.

St. Francis (IL) @ Adrian

St. Francis is an NAIA I team, 6-1 to date though none of their wins stand out.  A few W's vs teams with Purdue, Calumet and hyphens in their name.  About 2/3's of their games seem to be close, competitive games.

John Baines coaches bio is an interesting read, I'm sure TitanQ could add more if he chooses.  Baines is an IWU grad and former Elmhurst assistant.  At Elmhurst he saw a little bit of the MIAA.
http://www.gofightingsaints.com/coach/8/1.php

[sac]

Massey rates Cornerstone as the #1 and Davenport as the #3 NAIA II team in the country.

The first real NAIA II poll since the pre-season poll has Cornerstone #3, and Davenport #6.

http://naia.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl-div2/spec-rel/112910aac.html

[northb]

Massey rates Cornerstone as the #1 and Davenport as the #3 NAIA II team in the country.

The first real NAIA II poll since the pre-season poll has Cornerstone #3, and Davenport #6.

http://naia.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl-div2/spec-rel/112910aac.html

pretty amazing that the #3 and #6 teams are not only from the same town, but are situated on the same street!
With some other college in between (and I don't mean Kuyper!).

[ziggy]

Massey rates Cornerstone as the #1 and Davenport as the #3 NAIA II team in the country.

The first real NAIA II poll since the pre-season poll has Cornerstone #3, and Davenport #6.

http://naia.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl-div2/spec-rel/112910aac.html

pretty amazing that the #3 and #6 teams are not only from the same town, but are situated on the same street!
With some other college in between (and I don't mean Kuyper!).

Western Michigan University Grand Rapids Campus?

[realist]

What are Calvin and Hope looking at in terms of match ups this weekend.

Wheaton's top 7 players in terms of minutes play 84 % of the game time.   4 of the 5 top players average in double figures. In terms of experience the 7 are 1 sr, 3 jr, and 3 fr.  The top 7 average a total of 70 pts/ game, and as a total team Wheaton averages 33.8 rebounds per game slightly better than their opponents.   3 of the players are shown as 6'6", and 2 are 6'3", 1 is 6'2", and the last 6'0".

Carthage's top 7 players play 85% of the minutes.  All 5 starters average double figures.  These top 7 are 1 sr, 1 jr, 4 so's, and 1 fr.  The top seven average 64 points per game, and as a team total 32.8 rebounds per game slightly less than their opponents. 
Size wise they are 2 at 6'6", 1 at 6'5", 1 at 6'4', 1 at 6'3", 1 at 5'1", and 1 at 6'0". 

Carthage (3-2) is ranked 18th in the latest poll while Wheaton (3-1) is ranked 21st.  Hope received 1 vote.

Before pre-conference play began it looked like the MIAA was liable to come away with 4 L's, but now 1-3 is very probable, and even 2-2 is possible. 

[ziggy]

Carthage (3-2) is ranked 18th in the latest poll while Wheaton (3-1) is ranked 21st.  Hope received 1 vote.

I'm not trying to say that any MIAA team is worthy of the top 25, but Hope probably would have been my third guess if you told me an MIAA team received a vote.