MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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You can get a rare look at a team half the MIAA could beat on the Big Ten Network tonight when Concordia plays at Crisler Arena. Concordia was picked to finish seventh in the Wolverine-Hoosier Athletic Conference, behind the likes of Cornerstone, Davenport and Aquinas.

http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/michigan-vs-concordia-basketball-is-a-big-deal-on-one-ann-arbor-campus/

Just half the miaa?

You're right, my use of the word "could" should have widened the pool.

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It received no mention here, which surprised me, but there was another pretty cool event over the weekend involving an MIAA sports program.  The Adrian hockey team played the first official outdoor game in Michigan Stadium this weekend.

http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-hockey/2010-11/releases/20101204n0p4jp


photos
http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-hockey/2010-11/photos/0005/index

They had hoped to break the D3 record for attendance, something like 5,500.  Roughly two full sections at Michigan Stadium would do that trick.  As you can see they came up short, boxscore says 1,470.

Adrian won 3-0

[sac]

Trine's Ian Jackson made an impression on at least one CCIW poster.

.....  If you were in the gym on Saturday night, or had the chance to watch on line, you know that the performance Ian Jackson put on cannot simply be defined by his 33 points (as impressive a number as that is).  There was a stretch of about 8 minutes there (during which NP pretty much lost the game) that Jackson was absolutely unstoppable.  I do not think it was a matter of lacking defense....Jackson was just unconcious.  I actually enjoyed watching it, even though it was at my own team's expense.  Easily one of the best individual performances I have seen in the North Park gym in a long time.

As a side note, kudos to the Trine fans.  Impressive road turnout for a team that's not right down the road.

[sac]

There have been some pretty impressive individual performances in the 7 years of MIAA/CCIW challenge games.  Through 28 games, 15 players have scored over 25 points in a game. 

Here's the 5 over 30 points.

34--Kent Raymond, Wheaton vs Hope 2008
33--Steve Djurickovic, Carthage vs Hope 2008
33--Tom Snikkers, Calvin vs Carthage 2010
32--Steve Djurickovic, Carthage vs Calvin 2008
31--Steve Djurickovic, Carthage vs Hope 2010

(I haven't added it up, but I'm pretty sure Steve Djurickovic is the all-time leading scorer in the challenge)

Using the simple formula for Player Efficiency, here's the top individual performances.

39--Steve Djurickovic, Carthage vs Hope 2008
36--Steve Djurickovic, Carthage vs Calvin 2008
35--Tom Snikkers, Calvin vs Carthage 2010
33--Andy Wiele, Wheaton vs Hope 2006
32--Keena Johnson, Carthage vs Calvin 2004
32--Will Bowser, Hope vs Wheaton 2009
31--Kent Raymond, Wheaton vs Hope 2008
29--Ben Panner, Wheaton vs Calvin 2007
29--Ben Panner, Wheaton vs Calvin 2009
29--Steve Djurickovic, Carthage vs Hope 2010

[realist]

Trent Salo shows up in the box score for Sat's game and also the season stats.  I didn't watch the game, but I'm roughly 100% sure he's not back on the court.....

I also noticed that Salo appeared, the announcer credited him with a turnover, but it must have been an entry error as it has been sanitized.

[knights2000]

You can get a rare look at a team half the MIAA could beat on the Big Ten Network tonight when Concordia plays at Crisler Arena. Concordia was picked to finish seventh in the Wolverine-Hoosier Athletic Conference, behind the likes of Cornerstone, Davenport and Aquinas.

http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/michigan-vs-concordia-basketball-is-a-big-deal-on-one-ann-arbor-campus/

Concordia's schedule takes them to Hawaii over Christmas to play a few games...I'd assume this game tonight is paying for that trip.

[Mr. Ypsi]

You can get a rare look at a team half the MIAA could beat on the Big Ten Network tonight when Concordia plays at Crisler Arena. Concordia was picked to finish seventh in the Wolverine-Hoosier Athletic Conference, behind the likes of Cornerstone, Davenport and Aquinas.

http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/michigan-vs-concordia-basketball-is-a-big-deal-on-one-ann-arbor-campus/

Concordia's schedule takes them to Hawaii over Christmas to play a few games...I'd assume this game tonight is paying for that trip.

That, plus they probably receive money for allowing UM to use their gym for practices during Crisler renovations.

[realist]

HCG:  I wish I could share your optimism that Calvin has this great, talented team.     When I see a guy with totally underwhelming stats touted as this great "shooter", and see he really averages .278 (5-18) on 3's it does little to inspire confidence.  
Quoting you: " He [BH] will never be mistaken for a banger down low, a great post game, or a dominant rebounder."  Sadly he will probably never be mistaken for a good basketball player either.

The one question that KVS's post game comments quickly brings to mind is:

Isn't it the coach's job to have his team ready to play with "intensity" for 40 minutes?

[Gregory Sager]

Trine's Ian Jackson made an impression on at least one CCIW poster.

.....  If you were in the gym on Saturday night, or had the chance to watch on line, you know that the performance Ian Jackson put on cannot simply be defined by his 33 points (as impressive a number as that is).  There was a stretch of about 8 minutes there (during which NP pretty much lost the game) that Jackson was absolutely unstoppable.  I do not think it was a matter of lacking defense....Jackson was just unconcious.  I actually enjoyed watching it, even though it was at my own team's expense.  Easily one of the best individual performances I have seen in the North Park gym in a long time.

As a side note, kudos to the Trine fans.  Impressive road turnout for a team that's not right down the road.

Make that two CCIW posters. Ian Jackson is a tremendous talent. As I said on CCIW Chat, he's the best guard I've seen this year whose last name isn't Serbian.

Pat Coleman, who filled in as my partner on Saturday night's NPU webcast, had a lot of good things to say on the air about Jackson as well. But those of you who really want to get a good look at what Jackson did against the Vikings can call up the broadcast archive and see it for yourselves. Since he's only a sophomore, he's going to be a load for the rest of the MIAA to handle over the next three seasons.

[KnightSlappy]

The one question that KVS's post game comments quickly brings to mind is:

Isn't it the coach's job to have his team ready to play with "intensity" for 40 minutes?

But only the player can actually play with the intensity. Teachers job to teach the material and have the students ready for the test, but the student has to do the actual studying and test passing.

HCG:  I wish I could share your optimism that Calvin has this great, talented team.     When I see a guy with totally underwhelming stats touted as this great "shooter", and see he really averages .278 (5-18) on 3's it does little to inspire confidence. 

What's the standard deviation on number of made three pointers in 18 attempts for the average college player that has a "true talent" at 0.500, 0.400, 0.300, and 0.200?

Is 18 a big enough sample size to make an accurate assesment about whether or not he's a good shooter?

[KnightSlappy]

Just ran 2,108 simulations for a .400 true talent shooter in excel, and I came up with a standard deviation of 2.1.

40% of 18 is 7.2, so one standard deviation below the mean would result in 5.1 made attempts out of 18.

So, basically, we'd expect 16% of .400 shooters to shoot worse than Haverdink has in 18 attempts based only on random variation.

For .333 shooters, average is 6 makes with a standard deviation of 1.9. So roughly 31% of .333 shooters would make fewer than 5 of 18 because of random variation.

He's two full standard deviations from a .500 (3-pt) shooter, so only 2.3% of them would make fewer than 5 in 18 attempts.

This is all assuming a normal distribution (and no hot hand effect), of course.

[ziggy]

Just ran 2,108 simulations for a .400 true talent shooter in excel, and I came up with a standard deviation of 2.1.

40% of 18 is 7.2, so one standard deviation below the mean would result in 5.1 made attempts out of 18.

So, basically, we'd expect 16% of .400 shooters to shoot worse than Haverdink has in 18 attempts based only on random variation.

For .333 shooters, average is 6 makes with a standard deviation of 1.9. So roughly 31% of .333 shooters would make fewer than 5 of 18 because of random variation.

He's two full standard deviations from a .500 (3-pt) shooter, so only 2.3% of them would make fewer than 5 in 18 attempts.

This is all assuming a normal distribution (and no hot hand effect), of course.

So, what you're saying is he just hasn't gotten hot yet. Right?

[Knightmare]

Just ran 2,108 simulations for a .400 true talent shooter in excel, and I came up with a standard deviation of 2.1.

40% of 18 is 7.2, so one standard deviation below the mean would result in 5.1 made attempts out of 18.

So, basically, we'd expect 16% of .400 shooters to shoot worse than Haverdink has in 18 attempts based only on random variation.

For .333 shooters, average is 6 makes with a standard deviation of 1.9. So roughly 31% of .333 shooters would make fewer than 5 of 18 because of random variation.

He's two full standard deviations from a .500 (3-pt) shooter, so only 2.3% of them would make fewer than 5 in 18 attempts.

This is all assuming a normal distribution (and no hot hand effect), of course.

So, what you're saying is he just hasn't gotten hot yet. Right?

Love it!   

[hoopdreams]

I knew the ratios, deviations, %'s were coming.....priceless.  Need some assistance in figuring out what it actually means. 

[hoopdreams]

can't wait until someone else, summarizing a game, let's the "hot hand" statement fly, intentionally or not...