MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[wiz]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  Mine is that a 4-4 team no more deserves to be described as a "good team" than a 7-7 teams should be described as "a very good team".  Those are the the exact words KVS used to describe a Trinity team Calvin just defeated.  Frankly, IMHO,  describing a 7-7 team as very good, and thereby implying your 4-4 team is good, qualifies as B.S.  

Hoopdreams is a big poster, and can speak for himself.  

I am not going to drink the kool-aid that Calvin is this great, talented  team until they prove it consistently.    I recall a Calvin team a few years ago that was really hyped on the strenght of winning one game (against Wash. U), and after that never lived up to that hype.  I am not a fan of Bosko D., but to paraphrase him:  " Calvin is a lot of talk right now".

Any coach with class, refers to their defeated opponent as a quality team. 

Personally I thought KVS was showing both class, and personal integrity when he described last years Alama team as "struggling".   IMO it is far more disingenuous  [adjective. lacking in frankness, candor, or sincerity] and self serving to describe Trinty as "very good" than it would have been to say they "played hard, and just wouldn't quit".  They did play hard, and they didn't quit.

Thank you for your quality comment.  You are a very good poster.

[realist]

Sadly, based on the trend line already established, and the fact Calvin should play another 18 games I will probably have enough notes by late Feb. to write an entire symphony.

A "Nutcracker" of a decidedly different sort, no doubt.   
[/quote]

Very good.  + Karma.

Sadly it is presently more like a DIRGE: "a song or hymn of grief or lamentation; especially : one intended to accompany funeral or memorial rite".

[almcguirejr]

I am not going to drink the kool-aid that Calvin is this great, talented  team until they prove it consistently.    

I haven't heard anyone say Calvin is great.  I've heard KVS say that after 10 games and 45-50 practices this team can be good.  

[oldknight]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  Mine is that a 4-4 team no more deserves to be described as a "good team" than a 7-7 teams should be described as "a very good team".  Those are the the exact words KVS used to describe a Trinity team Calvin just defeated.  Frankly, IMHO,  describing a 7-7 team as very good, and thereby implying your 4-4 team is good, qualifies as B.S. 

Hoopdreams is a big poster, and can speak for himself.   

I am not going to drink the kool-aid that Calvin is this great, talented  team until they prove it consistently.    I recall a Calvin team a few years ago that was really hyped on the strenght of winning one game (against Wash. U), and after that never lived up to that hype.  I am not a fan of Bosko D., but to paraphrase him:  " Calvin is a lot of talk right now".

Any coach with class, refers to their defeated opponent as a quality team. 

Personally I thought KVS was showing both class, and personal integrity when he described last years Alma team as "struggling".   IMO it is far more disingenuous  [adjective. lacking in frankness, candor, or sincerity] and self serving to describe Trinty as "very good" than it would have been to say they "played hard, and just wouldn't quit".  They did play hard, and they didn't quit.

Don't confuse the difference between integrity and dignity. Coaches like KVS (and GVW), no matter whatever else we may think of them, have always been the type to not denigrate someone by "dissing" an opponant's league as I heard Bosko do on his postgame show after Carthage beat Calvin. Now that Bosko's boys have lost to an Albion team that many of us have thought (maybe correctly, maybe not) is a bit down this year, Bosko might want to reassess whether the CCIW is really that much better than the MIAA.

[oldknight]

I am not going to drink the kool-aid that Calvin is this great, talented  team until they prove it consistently.    

I haven't heard anyone say Calvin is great.  I've heard KVS say that after 10 games and 45-50 practices this team can be good.  

Quite right. Some of us (me included) have said Calvin is a talented team and I stand by that statement. I don't think anyone has said Calvin is a great team.

[hoopdreams]

Wizzy- how did I get thrown into this?  Other can commenting on poor interior defense (factual and spoken of by the coaching staff), I've been pretty upbeat and positive about Hope's team.  Haven't spread any "rumors" about players, injuries, off the court incidents, etc...If you're referring to my recent comments about Coach Hammer and his program, prove me wrong or go back and paste any recent comments that were overboard, uncalled for, or out of line. 

For the record, I don't drink, and hardly need any assistance getting a date. Besides, my better half would probably object to that.

[realist]

Wizzy- how did I get thrown into this?  Other can commenting on poor interior defense (factual and spoken of by the coaching staff), I've been pretty upbeat and positive about Hope's team.  Haven't spread any "rumors" about players, injuries, off the court incidents, etc...If you're referring to my recent comments about Coach Hammer and his program, prove me wrong or go back and paste any recent comments that were overboard, uncalled for, or out of line.  

For the record, I don't drink, and hardly need any assistance getting a date. Besides, my better half would probably object to that.

It's called guilt by association.  In this case the extent of the association is you and I, apparently, are among the few posters that have the strenght of our convictions to post something about our party, I mean school, that differs from the established line.  My sin was pointing out the repeated lack of performance by one player.  No rumor, no speculation, just citing the stat. sheets.  If it's any solice my experience is that most Calvin posters aren't any thicker skinned (or open minded) than most Hope posters.

edited for a spelling error. 

[Happy Calvin Guy]

I don't think that anyone on this board is claiming that Calvin is already a great team, or that somehow we have arrived.  

I also don't think it's wrong for fans to be excited and optimistic about the potential of this team, in 2010-11, and also for the next couple of years.  There is a certain degree of upside here, and anyone who has seen this team play this year recognizes that.  With a young, talented, but so far inconsistent team, we are sure to have our share of ups and downs.  

As for KVS and his comments.  I do believe he is a class act, and I see nothing wrong with giving positive words about one's opponent in an interview.  I don't think we should read into his exact words about Trinity Christian as some sort of hard-boiled analysis of their team.  One could wish for more insight and candor in his interviews, but really can't we say that about 90% of all sports figures?  As for whether he is the right man to lead this Calvin team to the next level, I will point you to a thought that crossed my mind while surfing mlive this past week:  KVS does have one more ring for his finger than this legendary hand does:

http://photos.mlive.com/grandrapidspress/2010/12/gr1212_hope-van_wieren3.html

[oldknight]

Wizzy- how did I get thrown into this?  Other can commenting on poor interior defense (factual and spoken of by the coaching staff), I've been pretty upbeat and positive about Hope's team.  Haven't spread any "rumors" about players, injuries, off the court incidents, etc...If you're referring to my recent comments about Coach Hammer and his program, prove me wrong or go back and paste any recent comments that were overboard, uncalled for, or out of line. 

For the record, I don't drink, and hardly need any assistance getting a date. Besides, my better half would probably object to that.

It's called quilt by association.  In this case the extent of the association is you and I, apparently, are among the few posters that have the strenght of our convictions to post something about our party, I mean school, that differs from the established line.  My sin was pointing out the repeated lack of performance by one player.  No rumor, no speculation, just citing the stat. sheets.  If it's any solice my experience is that most Calvin posters aren't any thicker skinned (or open minded) than most Hope posters.

My wife sews wonderfully well. She might quote you one of the lesser known Beatitudes: "Blessed are the piece-makers, for they shall inherit quilts." Hezekiah 5:11 (OKV)

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Wizzy- how did I get thrown into this?  Other can commenting on poor interior defense (factual and spoken of by the coaching staff), I've been pretty upbeat and positive about Hope's team.  Haven't spread any "rumors" about players, injuries, off the court incidents, etc...If you're referring to my recent comments about Coach Hammer and his program, prove me wrong or go back and paste any recent comments that were overboard, uncalled for, or out of line. 

For the record, I don't drink, and hardly need any assistance getting a date. Besides, my better half would probably object to that.

It's called quilt by association.  In this case the extent of the association is you and I, apparently, are among the few posters that have the strenght of our convictions to post something about our party, I mean school, that differs from the established line.  My sin was pointing out the repeated lack of performance by one player.  No rumor, no speculation, just citing the stat. sheets.  If it's any solice my experience is that most Calvin posters aren't any thicker skinned (or open minded) than most Hope posters.

My wife sews wonderfully well. She might quote you one of the lesser known Beatitudes: "Blessed are the piece-makers, for they shall inherit quilts." Hezekiah 5:11 (OKV)

Quilts?  Didn't he play PG for the Knights a few years back, and is now the JV coach at Calvin   

[goodknight]

Wizzy- how did I get thrown into this?  Other can commenting on poor interior defense (factual and spoken of by the coaching staff), I've been pretty upbeat and positive about Hope's team.  Haven't spread any "rumors" about players, injuries, off the court incidents, etc...If you're referring to my recent comments about Coach Hammer and his program, prove me wrong or go back and paste any recent comments that were overboard, uncalled for, or out of line. 

For the record, I don't drink, and hardly need any assistance getting a date. Besides, my better half would probably object to that.

It's called quilt by association.  In this case the extent of the association is you and I, apparently, are among the few posters that have the strenght of our convictions to post something about our party, I mean school, that differs from the established line.  My sin was pointing out the repeated lack of performance by one player.  No rumor, no speculation, just citing the stat. sheets.  If it's any solice my experience is that most Calvin posters aren't any thicker skinned (or open minded) than most Hope posters.

Well, go and sin no more.
And please put down the harp.
We got your point on the first or second of your several posts about that one player.

[realist]

Well at least some of us are keeping up with the thread of the conversation.

[sac]

Sometimes its hard to know when people are serious and kidding.

[goodknight]

Quilt by association = blanket condemnation.
I'm. like, totally serious.

[KnightSlappy]

I'm very serious about my kidding, and I'm always kidding about being serious.