MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Erm Schmigget]

The family and school probably went out of their way to try and control a little bit of that.  HIPPA says its none of our business and it isn't.

HIPAA doesn't say that at all, of course. It regulates how health care providers can transmit information.

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/coveredentities/index.html

Isn't the implication that a person's medical information is private, and that a person has a reasonable expectation to maintain his/her privacy?

 

If you ask me, waiting until a definitive conclusion has been made regarding medical diagnoses is the right choice.  Injury?  Illness?  We certainly didn't know (...until most recently).  Wait and see.  Let the medical professionals sort it out.  That was how I chose to view it from the start.  Others' responses to this situation appear to have been the polar opposite, and that to me indicates a perverse "need" in our society to know everything possible about any given situation, regardless of what impact it really will have on us as individuals at the end of the day.

I agree with the Bunn family's decision to wait a while before being completely candid.  If what I know about a situation is incomplete, best to let it be until the truth has been made clear.  I've learned that lesson the hard way, probably more than once.  Maybe people on both sides of this arguement could have played it differently, but in the end, I really respect the way Peter and his family have played it.  I'll include Hope, and the team and coaches, in that as well.  In fact, I would say even the media has handled it better than this board.

Get well soon, Peter.  In the meantime, good luck with your classes, and we hope you are able to play next season.

[arena]

To me, this is the whole sequence of events:

Non-informed Hope/Calvin poster: "I wonder what's wrong with Peter Bunn, anyone know?"

"Informed" Hope posters: "They don't want anyone to know. Some of us know, but you can't so stop being nosy. Never ask again because it's a family issue. They don't have to tell you."

...

Non-informed Hope/Calvin poster: "Seson's under way, any news on Bunn's injury and when/if he'll play?"

"Informed" Hope posters: "They don't want anyone to know. Some of us know, but you can't so stop being nosy. Never ask again because it's a family issue. They don't have to tell you. You have no morals because you are asking"

...

Non-informed Hope/Calvin poster: "Just saw they've declared him out for the year, anyone know if he's going to play next year? Have they said what the injury is?"

"Informed" Hope posters: "They don't want anyone to know. Some of us know, but you can't so stop being nosy. Never ask again because it's a family issue. They don't have to tell you. You have no morals because you are asking. Do not move, I'm going to perform a citizen's arrest on you for being curious about a topic relating to this forum."

...

Non-informed Hope/Calvin poster: "Here's an article with the injury news."

"Informed" Hope posters: "Is everyone happy now? Now do you get it? Do you?"

Non-informed Hope/Calvin poster: "Not really, I mean, I hope he gets better, but they could have said something... or not.. or whatever they wanted to. But really, why are you freaking out at me?"

"Informed" Hope posters: "ARRRRRGHGHGHGHGH"

plus karma for that.  Pretty accurate.  Accurate to the very point of some hope posters assuming motivations of some Calvin posters.  Well done. 

[wiz]

After reading all these posts I don't even know who's head injury we are discussing any more but it apparently has happened to more than one person around here.

[Erm Schmigget]

After reading all these posts I don't even know who's head injury we are discussing any more but it apparently has happened to more than one person around here.

  Thank you for that one, wiz.  +k

[hoopdreams]

Very well said Erm!  It was handled incredibly well but I'm not sure what difference it would have made stating "a closed-head injury" rather than an "undisclosed injury" once a diagnosis was made and  the initial silence was broken.  Disclaimer: not trying to rehash this issue, just thinking aloud.

How many times do you thunk Peter and his family had to answer the same "feeling out but not too nosy questions" before, during and after each game?  Anyone on this board who has spoken with Mr. and Mrs. Bunn will say that they were very candid and honest in discussing the issue with concerned Hope faithful.

Unfortunately, we live in a need to know yesterday society and I am as guilty as anyone.

[hoopdreams]

oops- think not thunk.

Off to watch some hs ball tonight.  Can't wait to see how many new pages are available to me when i arrive back home.

[realist]

The family and school probably went out of their way to try and control a little bit of that.  HIPPA says its none of our business and it isn't.

HIPAA doesn't say that at all, of course. It regulates how health care providers can transmit information.

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/coveredentities/index.html

Isn't the implication that a person's medical information is private, and that a person has a reasonable expectation to maintain his/her privacy?

 

If you ask me, waiting until a definitive conclusion has been made regarding medical diagnoses is the right choice.  Injury?  Illness?  We certainly didn't know (...until most recently).  Wait and see.  Let the medical professionals sort it out.  That was how I chose to view it from the start.  Others' responses to this situation appear to have been the polar opposite, and that to me indicates a perverse "need" in our society to know everything possible about any given situation, regardless of what impact it really will have on us as individuals at the end of the day.

I agree with the Bunn family's decision to wait a while before being completely candid.  If what I know about a situation is incomplete, best to let it be until the truth has been made clear.  I've learned that lesson the hard way, probably more than once.  Maybe people on both sides of this arguement could have played it differently, but in the end, I really respect the way Peter and his family have played it.  I'll include Hope, and the team and coaches, in that as well.  In fact, I would say even the media has handled it better than this board.

Get well soon, Peter.  In the meantime, good luck with your classes, and we hope you are able to play next season.

Stating Peter had suffered a "closed head injury", and asking for prayers would also have qualified as "completely candid".

[wiz]

...and asking for prayers would also have qualified as "completely candid".

And here's my prayer rquest:

"God, grant me the serenity to accept that stupid people will always thrive in this world, and no amount of ranting and prodding and sarcasm and losing my temper will make them smarter.
God, grant me the patience and the ability to forgive stupid people because they cannot help but be who they are.
God, grant me the cunning wits and masterful strategic skills to manipulate stupid people because common sense and cool logic are useless weapons against imbeciles who cannot comprehend what either of these two things are.
God, grant me the courage to change what I can, to stand up for my rights and to not bow down to the unreasonable demands of stupid people.
And finally, God, grant me the wisdom to know when to fight and when to step down gracefully."

[Erm Schmigget]

The family and school probably went out of their way to try and control a little bit of that.  HIPPA says its none of our business and it isn't.

HIPAA doesn't say that at all, of course. It regulates how health care providers can transmit information.

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/coveredentities/index.html

Isn't the implication that a person's medical information is private, and that a person has a reasonable expectation to maintain his/her privacy?

 

If you ask me, waiting until a definitive conclusion has been made regarding medical diagnoses is the right choice.  Injury?  Illness?  We certainly didn't know (...until most recently).  Wait and see.  Let the medical professionals sort it out.  That was how I chose to view it from the start.  Others' responses to this situation appear to have been the polar opposite, and that to me indicates a perverse "need" in our society to know everything possible about any given situation, regardless of what impact it really will have on us as individuals at the end of the day.

I agree with the Bunn family's decision to wait a while before being completely candid.  If what I know about a situation is incomplete, best to let it be until the truth has been made clear.  I've learned that lesson the hard way, probably more than once.  Maybe people on both sides of this arguement could have played it differently, but in the end, I really respect the way Peter and his family have played it.  I'll include Hope, and the team and coaches, in that as well.  In fact, I would say even the media has handled it better than this board.

Get well soon, Peter.  In the meantime, good luck with your classes, and we hope you are able to play next season.

Stating Peter had suffered a "closed head injury", and asking for prayers would also have qualified as "completely candid".

Still would have generated questions...  causes?  ...type/severity of injury?

One can't be too careful when dealing with closed head injuries.  I'm sure your quick investigation was not too unlike what the professionals initially did to start treatment.  However, they probably also wanted to rule other things out just to be sure they weren't missing something more serious.  I know I would want that for myself or my family.

[Civic Minded]

The family and school probably went out of their way to try and control a little bit of that.  HIPPA says its none of our business and it isn't.

HIPAA doesn't say that at all, of course. It regulates how health care providers can transmit information.

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/coveredentities/index.html

Isn't the implication that a person's medical information is private, and that a person has a reasonable expectation to maintain his/her privacy?

 

If you ask me, waiting until a definitive conclusion has been made regarding medical diagnoses is the right choice.  Injury?  Illness?  We certainly didn't know (...until most recently).  Wait and see.  Let the medical professionals sort it out.  That was how I chose to view it from the start.  Others' responses to this situation appear to have been the polar opposite, and that to me indicates a perverse "need" in our society to know everything possible about any given situation, regardless of what impact it really will have on us as individuals at the end of the day.

I agree with the Bunn family's decision to wait a while before being completely candid.  If what I know about a situation is incomplete, best to let it be until the truth has been made clear.  I've learned that lesson the hard way, probably more than once.  Maybe people on both sides of this arguement could have played it differently, but in the end, I really respect the way Peter and his family have played it.  I'll include Hope, and the team and coaches, in that as well.  In fact, I would say even the media has handled it better than this board.

Get well soon, Peter.  In the meantime, good luck with your classes, and we hope you are able to play next season.

Stating Peter had suffered a "closed head injury", and asking for prayers would also have qualified as "completely candid".

However, if you're still not sure what the ramifications are, or what can be done, or if it is true, then perhaps by not discolsing the type of injury early on you can delay 150,000 questions you're not ready to answer just yet.  If you stated "closed head injury" early on, and left it at that, can you imagine the rumor mill then? 

In their shoes,  I would have done the same thing.  If you have children in the public spotlight and think you would have done otherwise, good on ya.

Sadly, I am at a loss as to how Sac's innocent comment was construed to be hands on hips, finger-waving taunting.  Perhaps you should take some time to get to know him.  You won't find a more humble, thoughtful person on the planet.  Vilifying him is easier though, I'll give you that.

[almcguirejr]

Harbaugh to the 49ers

[Pat Coleman]

He wouldn't be the first person to be made out to look different on the boards than he is in real life. It's real easy for all people on all sides to think that about all sorts of people.

[Pat Coleman]

I am at a loss as to how Sac's innocent comment was construed to be hands on hips, finger-waving taunting.  Perhaps you should take some time to get to know him.  You won't find a more humble, thoughtful person on the planet.  Vilifying him is easier though, I'll give you that.

Every one of us, myself included, is responsible for what we say in this public forum and how we say it. Not all of us have the luxury of knowing people in person for many years to color their comments in blue or maroon.

[Gregory Sager]

I viewed Wednesday night's Calvin/Hope game postmortem on this board with complete dismay. Such amity! Such mutual respect! Such a total absence of bickering, nonsensical niggling, and passive-aggressive innuendo!

For crying out loud, that was not the snide, semi-belligerent barb-a-thon that I have come to expect and love from Calvin and Hope fans. Like it or not, you folks are the ones who give the rivalry spice for those of us who don't live in Michigan and can't see the games ... and the beauty of it, aside from the ten-chuckles-a-minute posted snark that fans of both sides seem to generate at will in rivaly-related discussion, is its predictability. When Calvin and Hope fans aren't engaged in an online food fight after a rivalry game, it feels as though the world has gone spinning off of its axis.

Today, however, the Hatfields and McCoys of Shoe-land have more than made up for the unsettling politeness of Wednesday night and Thursday. And all feels right with the world again.

[goodknight]

I viewed Wednesday night's Calvin/Hope game postmortem on this board with complete dismay. Such amity! Such mutual respect! Such a total absence of bickering, nonsensical niggling, and passive-aggressive innuendo!

For crying out loud, that was not the snide, semi-belligerent barb-a-thon that I have come to expect and love from Calvin and Hope fans. Like it or not, you folks are the ones who give the rivalry spice for those of us who don't live in Michigan and can't see the games ... and the beauty of it, aside from the ten-chuckles-a-minute posted snark that fans of both sides seem to generate at will in rivaly-related discussion, is its predictability. When Calvin and Hope fans aren't engaged in an online food fight after a rivalry game, it feels as though the world has gone spinning off of its axis.

Today, however, the Hatfields and McCoys of Shoe-land have more than made up for the unsettling politeness of Wednesday night and Thursday. And all feels right with the world again.

Sager, you Surströmming-sniffing buffoon:  It's the Hatfieldsmas and the VanderMcCoys!