MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[wiz]

I would like to thank the board for bringing up the subject of Surstroemming (another option), since it caused me to investigate the sources, ingredients  and relative merits of Surstroemming and Lutefisk.  I appears that the two are similar to house guests, that is, they all stink up the place after 3 days.

Three days doesn't seem so bad.  The Flying Dutchmen stunk it up in only 40 minutes. 

[maroonandgold]

Since 3 of Wednesday's games turned out to be "upsets," and most predicting the outcomes of today's game are predicting the same teams to win, what game is the most likely to result in an upset today?  My guess for an upset in Trine over Hope.

[ziggy]

Since 3 of Wednesday's games turned out to be "upsets," and most predicting the outcomes of today's game are predicting the same teams to win, what game is the most likely to result in an upset today?  My guess for an upset in Trine over Hope.

I'll say Adrian over Olivet. Not sure it will happen but I'm interested to see how AC's slow down ball works against the Comets. Adrian played in both of the two lowest scoring games in d3 this season.

[sflzman]

Since 3 of Wednesday's games turned out to be "upsets," and most predicting the outcomes of today's game are predicting the same teams to win, what game is the most likely to result in an upset today?  My guess for an upset in Trine over Hope.

I'll say Adrian over Olivet. Not sure it will happen but I'm interested to see how AC's slow down ball works against the Comets. Adrian played in both of the two lowest scoring games in d3 this season.

I know Olivet plays at a faster pase, but don't you think with McCleary and then the potential high-low game that they could thrive in a slow game as well? When your best player is the best post guy in the conference, you would assume you could win a slow game down low...

[wiz]

Since 3 of Wednesday's games turned out to be "upsets," and most predicting the outcomes of today's game are predicting the same teams to win, what game is the most likely to result in an upset today?  My guess for an upset in Trine over Hope.

What makes a game an upset?  I appreciate your putting the word in quotation marks because I think you also acknowledge the term to be questionable.  It is very doubtful that any of the teams that won on Wednesday thought their victory was an upset.  I suspect none of the winning coaches went into the contest saying "we're not supposed to win tonight but let's give it a shot and see if we can't upset our more talented and better coached opponent."  I think games can appear to be upsets when we get so engrossed with our favorite team(s) that we fail to recognized their weaknesses and the other teams's strengths.  Sometimes we also fail to see that others learn from their experiences and improve throughout a season.  I firmily believe there will be no upsets today.  Only the best prepared teams will win.

[KnightSlappy]

Since 3 of Wednesday's games turned out to be "upsets," and most predicting the outcomes of today's game are predicting the same teams to win, what game is the most likely to result in an upset today?  My guess for an upset in Trine over Hope.

What makes a game an upset?  I appreciate your putting the word in quotation marks because I think you also acknowledge the term to be questionable.  It is very doubtful that any of the teams that won on Wednesday thought their victory was an upset.  I suspect none of the winning coaches went into the contest saying "we're not supposed to win tonight but let's give it a shot and see if we can't upset our more talented and better coached opponent."  I think games can appear to be upsets when we get so engrossed with our favorite team(s) that we fail to recognized their weaknesses and the other teams's strengths.  Sometimes we also fail to see that others learn from their experiences and improve throughout a season.  I firmily believe there will be no upsets today.  Only the best prepared teams will win.

I think those 3 games are upsets because according to the Massey ratings, coaches poll, and fan vote, the 'favorite' lost. That is, by definition, an upset.

[maroonandgold]

Since 3 of Wednesday's games turned out to be "upsets," and most predicting the outcomes of today's game are predicting the same teams to win, what game is the most likely to result in an upset today?  My guess for an upset in Trine over Hope.

What makes a game an upset?  I appreciate your putting the word in quotation marks because I think you also acknowledge the term to be questionable.  It is very doubtful that any of the teams that won on Wednesday thought their victory was an upset.  I suspect none of the winning coaches went into the contest saying "we're not supposed to win tonight but let's give it a shot and see if we can't upset our more talented and better coached opponent."  I think games can appear to be upsets when we get so engrossed with our favorite team(s) that we fail to recognized their weaknesses and the other teams's strengths.  Sometimes we also fail to see that others learn from their experiences and improve throughout a season.  I firmily believe there will be no upsets today.  Only the best prepared teams will win.

Wiz makes a valid point.  My definition of "upset" for our purposes here would be "a result that that differs from our inexpert opinions of who we expect to win."  Anyone convinced by our Alma loyalist that they are the team that will pull out the unexpected win?

[ziggy]

Since 3 of Wednesday's games turned out to be "upsets," and most predicting the outcomes of today's game are predicting the same teams to win, what game is the most likely to result in an upset today?  My guess for an upset in Trine over Hope.

I'll say Adrian over Olivet. Not sure it will happen but I'm interested to see how AC's slow down ball works against the Comets. Adrian played in both of the two lowest scoring games in d3 this season.

I know Olivet plays at a faster pase, but don't you think with McCleary and then the potential high-low game that they could thrive in a slow game as well? When your best player is the best post guy in the conference, you would assume you could win a slow game down low...

I don't disagree with your assessment. The question I want to see answered on the court is whether Adrian's strategy works because it shortens the game by virtue of fewer possessions or does it hurt them because it puts a premium on said possessions.

Alma used the slow down strategy to near perfection at Calvin last year when the Knights were a bit icy and Alma was hitting everything they threw up (pun intended). The strategy backfires when the opponent is still able to make shots. A six point deficit in a slow game looks a lot more like a ten point deficit in a game played at a "normal" pace.

[sac]

up·set
   /v., adj. ʌpˈsɛt; n. ˈʌpˌsɛt/ Show Spelled [v., adj. uhp-set; n. uhp-set] Show IPA verb, -set, -set·ting, noun, adjective

9.
the defeat of a person, team, etc., that is considered more formidable.


Its is of course subjective to what someone considers formidable.  As a season moves through the calender, upsets are a moving target......what may have looked like one early in a season may not be one later in the year.

[KnightSlappy]

up·set
   /v., adj. ʌpˈsɛt; n. ˈʌpˌsɛt/ Show Spelled [v., adj. uhp-set; n. uhp-set] Show IPA verb, -set, -set·ting, noun, adjective

9.
the defeat of a person, team, etc., that is considered more formidable.


Its is of course subjective to what someone considers formidable.  As a season moves through the calender, upsets are a moving target......what may have looked like one early in a season may not be one later in the year.

I like the wikipedia explanation:

An upset occurs in a competition, frequently in electoral politics or sports, when the party popularly expected to win (the favorite), is defeated by an underdog whom the majority expects to lose, defying the conventional wisdom.

This is what is meant. Not that Alma couldn't beat Trine, just that the majority (ALL of us) expected them to lose.

But what sac says is also very true. What looks like an upset today, may not tomorrow. Maybe Alma finishes with four wins, and Trine with only three. Who knows. But, as of now, we have had 3 upsets in 4 games.

[sac]

Adrian has had great success against Olivet in recent seasons, including last season under first year coach Mark White with his slow down game.

10 Adrian 65 Olivet 64 OT
10 Adrian 63 Olivet 59
09 Olivet 66 Adrian 63
09 Olivet 81 Adrian 76
08 Adrian 68 Olivet 66
08 Adrian 68 Olivet 64
(this success actually continues on for a couple more season with Adrian winning 3 of the previous 5 matchups as well, then I stopped looking)

I dare say this has probably been the most even matched series in the MIAA in terms of scoring margin the last half of this past decade.

Adrian's slow down game will keep them in most games, what seems to be different so far is their defensive play which appears to be very good.  Especially in the last 10 minutes of games where they've turned a number of opponents into offensive wastelands.


Michael McClary is on a 4 game double-double streak vs the Bulldogs......and if it hadn't been for brother Brandon in 08, he'd probably be on a 5 or 6 game streak.

[sac]

There was a time not to many years ago when I was asked to see if I could stop some of the poking and prodding coming from this end of the rivalry.  And I did, either by pm, email or even leaving pretty obvious hints on the board to cool it.

When I was accused of trying to control the conversation, telling people what they could or couldn't post,  "or running the board" I bit my tongue and moved on (until last summer when I'd just had enough).   So its with some disappointment that when the opportunities for others to reciprocate comes, and it doesn't happen....it just leaves me with a very disappointed feeling in this boards dynamics.

That's all, enjoy your game today wherever it is.

[Knightmare]

up·set
   /v., adj. ʌpˈsɛt; n. ˈʌpˌsɛt/ Show Spelled [v., adj. uhp-set; n. uhp-set] Show IPA verb, -set, -set·ting, noun, adjective

9.
the defeat of a person, team, etc., that is considered more formidable.


Its is of course subjective to what someone considers formidable.  As a season moves through the calender, upsets are a moving target......what may have looked like one early in a season may not be one later in the year.

Sac, very true indeed about "upsets" at beginning of year versus end of the year and if they were ever truly "upsets" in the first place.  A good example can come from this years NFL Tampa Bay Buccaneers.  The Bucs were picked to finish terrible in the preseason and "upset" multiple teams early on that by the end of the year couldn't be considered upsets at all as the Bucs finished with a record of 10-6 and very nearly made the playoffs.  Perceptions and expectations of teams are very fluid depending on very recent and current performances.

Another closer to home example is the Grace Bible College bball team.  Last year their wins over other local college teams were considered upsets.  Now, with some hindsight, those don't seem like quite the upsets that we all thought at the time because the expectations of their team have evolved and changed and our perceptions of their team as well.

[ziggy]

Calvin closes the half with a 0-16 "run" to end the half down ten. Time to review an alternate definition of "upset".

[GoKnights68]

Calvin loses.

Rodts has very off day of shooting.