MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Knight81]

I was wondering how Kzoo's upset over Calvin would be viewed by Massey's "Least Likely Result"  section.

Least Likely Results

1 12/11 Keuka (406)              52    St Lawrence (298)        51  0.059
2 11/19 Elmira (361)             77 vs Albright (139)           70  0.085
3 11/18 MN Morris (265)          65 at Concordia Mhd ( 34)      63  0.099
4  12/7 NY Maritime (368)        72 at Farmingdale (255)        71  0.114
5  12/3 Pacific OR (240)         65 at Pac Lutheran ( 26)       63  0.125
6 11/20 Frostburg St (216)       56 at St Mary's MD ( 31)       54  0.137
7  12/5 Dallas Univ (384)        78 at SW Univ TX (310)         74  0.150
8 11/28 Loras (154)              63 at WI Platteville ( 42)     61  0.157
9 11/29 Marywood (285)           65 at Keystone (145)           59  0.168
10   1/8 Kalamazoo (215)          73 at Calvin ( 74)             68  0.182



If it were possible to look back at previous MIAA seasons, its pretty likely the two most least likely upsets to occur recently have both involved Kzoo beating Calvin.

2011 Kzoo 73 Calvin 68
2009 Kzoo 68 Calvin 66



Out of curiosity, anyone know the last time K beat Calvin @ Calvin?

No matter how you look at it, it was a bad, bad loss. The turnovers and overall lack of intelligence shown on the court are very disappointing. Yes, I know it's a young team which will naturally have its ups and downs, but on the other hand with Salo back there are 4 seniors who play substantial minutes.

[ghostofdouma]

Tom Markowski has a good article in the Detroit News on the low quality basketball that is being played at the HS level.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20110110/OPINION03/101100341/1049/sports/Fundamentals-fall-out-of-favor-with-high-school-players

Interesting article.  Thanks for the link al.  Seems the overall talent level has dropped in the Grand Rapids area as well. 

[hoopdreams]

Would all of this talk of how bad Hope's defense is be a mute point if they had beaten Calvin last week?

[sac]

Would all of this talk of how bad Hope's defense is be a mute point if they had beaten Calvin last week?

Not for me, I've noted Hope's lax defense in every post-game write-up when I've seen them........and have noted the key boxscore stats in other games

It's been too obvious.

[realist]

Not sure I agree about the "young" Calvin team.  90 minutes on Sat. were logged by 4 seniors, and adding in 9 minutes from the one jr. means nearly 50% of the minutes were upper classmen.  Snikkers, and Powel played 46 minutes, however, considering the pt each saw last year they have far more varsity pt than most so's so you really can't use the inexperience card here.  12 minutes logged by the other 2 so's.  Fr. Brink played 23 minutes, and Kruis played 20.  

Brink scored 13 points on 4-6 (2-4 on 3pt) shooting, and was 3-3 at the line.  While he was out pointed by Snikkers a fr. was by far the most effecient player Calvin had on the floor.  Based on Sat's performance he should be starting instead of Powell.  He seems to have benefited from the return of Salo at pg.   Not so sure about any of the others as it often looked like they were more spectators than participants in the game.

From whom did Salo get his 17 minutes of pt.?   10 minutes probably came from the drop Haverdink experienced in his floor time, and another 5 minutes came from reduced Powel time.  De Boer and De Young both experienced lower pt, and Kruis was up with 20 minutes.  Not sure if this is the pattern going forward, but KVS has normally stuck pretty much to a 9 man rotation.

[KnightSlappy]

Brink scored 13 points on 4-6 (2-4 on 3pt) shooting, and was 3-3 at the line.  While he was out pointed by Snikkers a fr. was by far the most effecient player Calvin had on the floor.  Based on Sat's performance he should be starting instead of Powell.  He seems to have benefited from the return of Salo at pg.   Not so sure about any of the others as it often looked like they were more spectators than participants in the game.

There was a point in the game where the none of the 5 guys on the floor really wanted to shoot (it looked like). Jordan got the ball and was looking to pass when it looked like something clicked in his mind ('maybe I can shoot!'). He made a nice move toward the basket and flipped it up and in.

He's been mostly passive with the ball (under control, good), but I'd like to see him be the aggressor more often. He has good ball skills, good athleticism, and a nice touch on the ball. He's able beat his man, but he doesn't look for the opportunities very often.

[hoopdreams]

basketball has 2 components, offense and defense.  In a perfect world, 1 team would be great at both, realistically not so much. 

Focusing only on defense, Adrian should hands down be the most dominant team in the league.  holding teams to a conference best 38%, certainly ranked high in the country.  Shall we just hand them a trophy and call it a season?  What's their record?  No disrespect Adrian fans, just trying to make a point.  If my team wins 25-24, we played to your strength but were still victorious.  By the way, their shooting percentage is lower than 38%, you have to have balance.

Based on stats, K-zoo is 3rd in both scoring Defense and field goal % defense.  Anyone here think K-zoo will finish 3rd or higher when the season is done?  Once again, no disrespect Hornet fans.

Hope faithful, what if Calvin had won but had only shot 40% Would it still be a bad defensive effort?  Is that now considered a "good" loss?  

Can't wait for first game in the 40 to 50 range and see how many complain that the offense is bad as well.

[oldknight]

Would all of this talk of how bad Hope's defense is be a mute point if they had beaten Calvin last week?

So mute it has become the defense that dares not speak its name.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

He's able beat his man, but he doesn't look for the opportunities very often.

Perhaps Brad Schnyders should be assigned to mentor young Jordan.  that would be some beneficial "senior leadership".  

Talking about the experience of Calvin's seniors, it's important to note that Salo came into the Calvin program as a soph, and only started last seasonas a junior; Schnyders also transferred in as a soph, got hurt that year, so really this is only his 2nd year playing many minutes at all; Schuster took some time off (I think his soph year) and didn't play much his freshman year at all, so really he's in only his second significant year on the team; and Danny Rodts played JV as a freshman.  So, not as much experience as you might expect in the four seniors.  Our one junior Brian Haverdink has only seen significant minutes this year.  

this in contrast to guys like Bowser and Tanis that have played since they were freshmen.  David Krombeen as a junior has more floor experience than any of our seniors with the possible exception of Danny Rodts.

[wiz]

Been out of commission a while but attended the Calvin/Kazoo game on Saturday and have  few observations.  First, this was not an upset.  Will never think of a young, .500 team being defeated as an upset.  They'll have a few more losses before this thing is over.

I understand the nice gesture of giving Salo the start because he is a senior and lost his staring role due to an injury and not because he was outplayed.  But, this was his first time in uniform and he clearly was not ready.  Three turnovers from a guy that is known to protect the ball.

Brink needs more playing time and is a clutch performer.  He needs to be encourage to become more aggressive in the scoring department.

Team did not shoot well and won't win many games when their fg % is sitting at 32%.  I give credit to Snikkers for not giving up on himself and still taking it strong to the hole.  Others might think he was out of control and selfish, but his aggressiveness was one of the few positive marks of the day.  Rebounding was also favorable for the Knights.  

In the post game interview, KVS made a good remark when he said the team learned two valuable lessons in a week: "we proved we can beat anyone, anywhere and we learned we can be defeated by anyone, anywhere."

Passage had a nice game plan and the Hornets executed it well.  Kudos.

I am still strongly encouraged with what I see from this young Knight team and expect them to be there in March.

What's the story with Mitch Vallie?  That bandage didn't look good.  

[ziggy]

What's the story with Mitch Vallie?  That bandage didn't look good.  

He gashed his head open in the JV game that was played on the old fieldhouse court. If I remember correctly, it took 14 or so stitches to clean it up. I'm not sure exactly how it happened but it was not the result of a dirty play or anything like that.

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[realist]

As jrs:  Rodts 26.2 mpg; Schuster 19.4 mpg; Salo 24.7 mpg; Schnyders 12.7mpg.
Total 83 mpg.
As sos: Rodts 24.2 mpg; Salo 17.4 mpg Schnyders 9mpg.  Total 51 mpg.

You are correct the Schuster played some as a fr, but only like 11 early games, and not at all as a soph.  Guess he could do a 5th year if he wanted.  

2009-10 Hope pt.  Bowser 29.2 mpg, Krombeem 28.4 mpg, & Tanis 6.1 Total 63.7
2008-9   Hope pt.  Bowser 23    mpg, Krombeem 26    mpg, & Tanis 15  Total  64

Bowser played 7 mpg as a Fr.

[KnightSlappy]

Schuster did JV as a frosh, then some varsity as a soph., but only a few games. He then sat out a full year before returning last season, so this is his fifth year.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Total varsity minutes prior to the 2010-2011 season

Calvin - 5227
Hope - 6522

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Just looking at Calvin's four seniors vs Hope's Bowser/Tanis/Krombeen trio, here's career minutes played coming into this season.

Rodts 1343
Salo 1162
Schuster 594
Schnyders 467
Total for four Calvin seniors:  3566 career minutes, average of 892/player

Bowser 1708
Tanis 973
Krombeen 1532
Total for Hope's two top seniors and one junior:  4213, average of 1404/player

My only point in bringing this up is that Calvin's seniors don't have the game experience that most seniors do.   And our only junior Haverdink has played a grand total of 84 career minutes before this season.  Everyone else is FR/SO, so I would still make the claim that this is a relatively young and inexperienced Calvin team. (still no excuse for losing to Kzoo though  )