MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Gregory Sager]

I appreciate the fact that I'm getting run out of town for voicing my opinion. I have to say, the bothersome part to me isn't the fact that people don't like what I'm saying, not one bit.

I'm not bothered by your posts, nor am I running anyone out of town -- as an out-of-towner that'd be kinda tough for me -- but I do feel compelled to point out that you called Adrian a "perennial bottom feeder," and then when AHF objected to that characterization you attempted to back up your statement by posting a list of MIAA champions from 1951 to 2010. Do you not see the irrelevance in your response? He said that Adrian was not a bottom-feeder program, and your list did absolutely nothing to disprove that. All that your list did was prove a different point, one that AHF had already freely conceded, which is that Adrian hasn't been able to get over the hump and win championships. Second thru sixth places (now second thru seventh) were/are not the bottom of the conference.

There are good things happening in the MIAA right now. Coaches White and Gifford appear to be doing good things with the Olivet and Adrian programs, Albion has proven time and again that they're not falling off the map, and contrary to what some Calvin fans appear to be thinking, the Knights aren't going into the toilet. This is what good conferences look like. This is what the CCIW and WIAC are like every weekend. Several good teams, and anyone can beat anyone.

The MIAA isn't "there" yet, but the non-conference record suggests overall improvement.

Best post anyone's made in this room all month. Clip and save, folks. KS is exactly right; in the really tough leagues, every night is a dogfight, the preseason roll call of potential title contenders usually extends to four teams or more, and the list of league champions is an ongoing carousel rather than a two-team relay.

[HopeConvert]

Best post anyone's made in this room all month. Clip and save, folks. KS is exactly right; in the really tough leagues, every night is a dogfight, the preseason roll call of potential title contenders usually extends to four teams or more, and the list of league champions is an ongoing carousel rather than a two-team relay.

HEY!!

[HopeConvert]

On the side, I'm quite happy right now because I just noticed that my last post number coincided with the year of the Battle of Hastings. But now I've gone and ruined that.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Now, Greg, what about the one right above it?!

When YOU dubbed him 'Dean of KnightSlappy U' did you have any idea you were dubbing a freakin' child?!

[Gregory Sager]

Now, Greg, what about the one right above it?!

When YOU dubbed him 'Dean of KnightSlappy U' did you have any idea you were dubbing a freakin' child?!

If Mozart could compose keyboard music at the tender age of five, then KS could certainly occupy the corner office in KnightSlappy University's Old Main while he still had a mouthful of baby teeth.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Now, Greg, what about the one right above it?!

When YOU dubbed him 'Dean of KnightSlappy U' did you have any idea you were dubbing a freakin' child?!

If Mozart could compose keyboard music at the tender age of five, then KS could certainly occupy the corner office in KnightSlappy University's Old Main while he still had a mouthful of baby teeth.

One of my all-time favorite lines comes from Tom Lehrer:  "It is a sobering thought that when Mozart was my age, he had been dead for seven years!"

(Or, in my case, for 27 years! )

[GoKnights68]

Winning at Adrian I am sure will be tough for any MIAA team this season, but I am pretty sure Knight2Day was one of the few Calvin posters that made the trip out to Adrian, so I have to be compelled to listen to his frustration.

Saying Adrian is a "perennial bottom feeder" is inaccurate, especially when looking at Adrian this past decade, but Knight2Day was just venting immediately following the game.  Just relax.

Lets hope the Knights can get back on track this coming week with games against struggling Alma and Trine.

[Busted Stuff]

I'm starting to realize the amount of discernment needed and eggshells one needs to walk on while typing his or her views on this board.  If you type something a little inaccurate or hyperbolic, you will get relatively instant negative feedback!  I suppose this is due to the fact that everything is typed and logged for each and everyone to dissect, but I guess this causes arguments which is part of the appeal of this board.  If everyone typed fact, we'd most certainly run out of related topics to talk about (especially with the amount of time some of us dedicate to this board ).  Keep posting everyone because it's fun to argue points and opinions just hopefully not at the expense of another!

[oldknight]

Just four games into the conference season and everyone seems a bit chippy. It also seems that there is a lot of parity and not one or two teams that are a cut above the rest. Mark White's crew plays exactly like the teams I saw him lead when he was at Detroit Renaissance--hard nosed defense and an offense that controls the ball. They're not going to blow you away but his teams put an opponent through the grinder. Many of us thought Albion was down this year but they keep winning games. Kalamazoo was thought to be awful and they are in a tie for the conference lead. Hope has had enormous challenges to overcome--a new coach, the loss of key players, and a disappointing home loss to their archrival to begin the conference--and yet, there they are right at the top. Olivet clearly has the best player in the conference, a promising start in November and early December, and now everything seems to be going south on them. The Comets seem destined for little more than a conference spoiler.

As for my Knights, their play continues to be inconsistent. No doubt they are talented and when they play focused ball they can score, defend and rebound with anyone. They are a hard to team figure out but that's true of many teams. Take MSU for instance. That's a veteran, Final Four team led by a Hall of Fame Coach and they are a disappointing 12-5, out of the Top 25, and they need overtime to win at home against a perenniel bottom feeder (Actually, I was pretty impressed by the Wildcats who no longer seem to be the Mildcats of the past). If I wasn't a Calvinist I would say the Spartans are  lucky to be 4-1 in the Big Ten--they should be 2-3. I can only imagine what our contributors would be saying if this were the Big Ten board.

[BogeyMan]

Let's not lose our cool because the league race is more than a two team race after four games. It's good for the league to have more than two teams involved the race for the top spot

Let's talk about something more serious.  How is Coach Passage and Coach Harmon doing?  They both left during games last week because of health problems.   I wish them both a speedy recovery!

[ziggy]

As for my Knights, their play continues to be inconsistent. No doubt they are talented and when they play focused ball they can score, defend and rebound with anyone. They are a hard to team figure out but that's true of many teams. Take MSU for instance. That's a veteran, Final Four team led by a Hall of Fame Coach and they are a disappointing 12-5, out of the Top 25, and they need overtime to win at home against a perenniel bottom feeder (Actually, I was pretty impressed by the Wildcats who no longer seem to be the Mildcats of the past). If I wasn't a Calvinist I would say the Spartans are  lucky to be 4-1 in the Big Ten--they should be 2-3. I can only imagine what our contributors would be saying if this were the Big Ten board.

The frustrating aspect of their inconsistency is the way they follow a good game with a bad game. The four games of the conference season is a perfect example.

Solid win at Hope -> Bad home loss to Kzoo
Lead Olivet about the whole way for a nice win -> Turn a 7 point halftime lead into a ten point loss at Adrian

Perhaps even more frustrating is the fact that there is no correlation between performance and where the game is played.

[sac]

New massey ratings is out

Adrian is rated #1 in defense in D3.

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2011&sub=NCAA%20III&mid=1

[realist]

 Karmageddon:  It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like, a serious bummer. 

[Gregory Sager]

I'm starting to realize the amount of discernment needed and eggshells one needs to walk on while typing his or her views on this board.  If you type something a little inaccurate or hyperbolic, you will get relatively instant negative feedback!

I don't know if my post was the catalyst of your observation or not, so let me be clear as to why I butted into the dispute between K2D and AHF. It's not necessarily a big deal to be "a little inaccurate or hyperbolic," but if you do so while calling someone else's school a "perennial bottom feeder" then you're kinda asking to be challenged on your inaccuracy.

Now, if K2D had used that same term, as emphatic and uncompromising as it is, about Alma I wouldn't have said anything. Over the past eleven seasons Alma's finished last in the MIAA eight times, and of the other three seasons two of them saw Alma finish next-to-last. "Perennial bottom feeder," while harsh, is an accurate term when used to describe Alma. But it's certainly not an accurate term when used to describe Adrian, and thus, because it is both inaccurate and harsh, I felt compelled to respond on AHF's behalf.

[KnightSlappy]

Now, Greg, what about the one right above it?!

When YOU dubbed him 'Dean of KnightSlappy U' did you have any idea you were dubbing a freakin' child?!

Take it easy man! I'm not that young. I'm graduated, working, have a wife and kid of my own...