MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Mr. Ypsi]

Curiosity drove me to look at the Hope stats for points vs MIAA opponents.  Here is what I found:

Most Points vs. MIAA Opponents
Adrian 40 Floyd Brady, 1968
Albion 51 Dan Shinabarger, 1970
Alma 40 Floyd Brady, 1968
Calvin 43 Floyd Brady, 1968
Kalamazoo 38 Jim VanderHill, 1961
Olivet 41 Jim VanderHill, 1962
Trine 24 Daane Griffeth, 2005


I guess Andy Phillips 45 against Tri-State (Trine) in 2004 doesn't count since the Thunder were not an official MIAA team at that point.

Daane Griffeth with 24 pts. makes the list!?!?  That seems a peculiar inclusion to your list.  Surely there have to be a few other games of over 24 points by other Hope players against MIAA competition to bump him from that spot, isn't there?  Just curious.

Re-read the post more carefully. He was giving the highest point total against EACH MIAA opponent.  Trine has not been in the league very long (hence, the Phillips remark.

[northb]

Could one of our stat guys research who has dropped the most on each team?  For instance, it is clear the most scored on Kalamazoo was Honderd's 61.  What is the most by ANY MIAA player against each of the MIAA teams?

FDF, for your list, how about Defiance?

[hope1]

yes it schould be some really game this week  for shure 

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Could one of our stat guys research who has dropped the most on each team?  For instance, it is clear the most scored on Kalamazoo was Honderd's 61.  What is the most by ANY MIAA player against each of the MIAA teams?

FDF, for your list, how about Defiance?

Wish I could add Defiance.  The numbers I reported I simply copied from the Hope website.  Defiance was not included, and I can't find access to any game stats for the years they were in the MIAA  (only yearly stats are available).

[sac]

Its not as interesting as the FG%'s matchup between Hope and Adrian, but this might be a pretty big key to the Hope/Albion game.


3-POINT FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGES
# Team                  G     FG   FGA   Pct
--------------------------------------------
1.Hope College........ 16    110   273  .403
3.Albion College...... 16    104   283  .367



3-POINT FIELD GOAL PCT DEFENSE
# Team                  G     FG   FGA   Pct
--------------------------------------------
1.Albion College...... 16     73   261  .280
8.Hope College........ 16    106   270  .393


Two relatively good 3 point shooting teams, and one not so good at defending them.  In fact Hope has been getting lit up from behind the arc in conference play and Albion has been downright stingy.

3-POINT FIELD GOAL PCT DEFENSE
# Team                  G     FG   FGA   Pct
--------------------------------------------
1.Albion College......  5     19    82  .232
8.Hope College........  5     38    81  .469

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Could one of our stat guys research who has dropped the most on each team?  For instance, it is clear the most scored on Kalamazoo was Honderd's 61.  What is the most by ANY MIAA player against each of the MIAA teams?

FDF, for your list, how about Defiance?

Wish I could add Defiance.  The numbers I reported I simply copied from the Hope website.  Defiance was not included, and I can't find access to any game stats for the years they were in the MIAA  (only yearly stats are available).

Ryan Klingler scored 29 against Defiance in a 2000 MIAA tourney game.

I couldn't find any individual game data for any MIAA games vs Hillsdale though 

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I'm HOPEing we see the 3 point defense Hope has played in the last 3 games:

15-44   .341

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Could one of our stat guys research who has dropped the most on each team?  For instance, it is clear the most scored on Kalamazoo was Honderd's 61.  What is the most by ANY MIAA player against each of the MIAA teams?

FDF, for your list, how about Defiance?

Wish I could add Defiance.  The numbers I reported I simply copied from the Hope website.  Defiance was not included, and I can't find access to any game stats for the years they were in the MIAA  (only yearly stats are available).

Ryan Klingler scored 29 against Defiance in a 2000 MIAA tourney game.

I couldn't find any individual game data for any MIAA games vs Hillsdale though 

40 Jim VanderHill 1961 vs. Hillsdale

...and to be completely correct, Daane Griffeth is no longer the Hope point leader vs Trine, since Will Bowser scored 25 against the Thunder earlier this month

[Knightmare]

Curiosity drove me to look at the Hope stats for points vs MIAA opponents.  Here is what I found:

Most Points vs. MIAA Opponents
Adrian 40 Floyd Brady, 1968
Albion 51 Dan Shinabarger, 1970
Alma 40 Floyd Brady, 1968
Calvin 43 Floyd Brady, 1968
Kalamazoo 38 Jim VanderHill, 1961
Olivet 41 Jim VanderHill, 1962
Trine 24 Daane Griffeth, 2005


I guess Andy Phillips 45 against Tri-State (Trine) in 2004 doesn't count since the Thunder were not an official MIAA team at that point.

Daane Griffeth with 24 pts. makes the list!?!?  That seems a peculiar inclusion to your list.  Surely there have to be a few other games of over 24 points by other Hope players against MIAA competition to bump him from that spot, isn't there?  Just curious.

Re-read the post more carefully. He was giving the highest point total against EACH MIAA opponent.  Trine has not been in the league very long (hence, the Phillips remark.

Gotcha, examining the list closer it makes sense.  Original read through I just noticed the "vs. MIAA oponents" and figured it was the top scoring list for league play, hence the comment regarding Griffeth's inclusion as I figured there must be other higher scoring games.  Guess that's what I get when trying to catch up with 2 pages of posts in a short time.

Honestly, I'm still a bit surprised that 24 is the highest a Hope player has been able to hang on Trine in 5 years time.  I'm sure that is a very reachable number and won't last too much longer.

Also, who are all the bitter betty's on the board that feel the need to knock down karma ratings just for someone making a post.  Could someone please explain to me what was so offensive about my previous post that a few people start taking a hatchet to my karma?  I just don't understand some of the posters here, I think too many folks on a power trip.  Is there a "good ole boys" club that I don't know about, kinda turns off people from even contributing posts.

[sac]

Also, who are all the bitter betty's on the board that feel the need to knock down karma ratings just for someone making a post.  Could someone please explain to me what was so offensive about my previous post that a few people start taking a hatchet to my karma?  I just don't understand some of the posters here, I think too many folks on a power trip.  Is there a "good ole boys" club that I don't know about, kinda turns off people from even contributing posts.

Which is why I've suggested to Pat on more than one occasion that he should do away with the whole karma thing or change it to just positive points. 

I'd suggest anyone that feels the same, especially new posters, send a message on to Pat about how the karma function keeps you or others contributing.

[northb]

treat the karma like it isn't even there.  Sometimes I post knowing that it will tick off a few folks and my karma stays the same, other times I ask a simple unbiased question and lose "points".  PLEASE do not stop posting, when you do that, the terrorists win!

[Civic Minded]

treat the karma like it isn't even there.  Sometimes I post knowing that it will tick off a few folks and my karma stays the same, other times I ask a simple unbiased question and lose "points".  PLEASE do not stop posting, when you do that, the terrorists win!

I don't find myself agreeing w/ northb much lately  , but ditto to what he said.  Ignoring that side of the page is the best thing to do.  And definitely DO NOT stop posting.  One of these days we'll all learn how to play nicely with each other, myself included.   

And I like Sac's idea -- a "like" button similar to FB would allow people to appreciate a comment w/o having to copy text, and would keep things more positively focused.  Short of that, don't let it worry you.  Happens to all of us!

[KnightSlappy]

My general rule of thumb is to "smite" posters when they mention that their Karma has gone down, but that's just because I have a weird sense of humor. Otherwise I just pretty much ignore it.

I'll rarely "smite" a post becuase I disagree with it. It has to be obviously inflammatory for me to click the button.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I've noticed that ever single one of you commenting on karma has more of it on a per-post basis than I do!

Granted, the amount I've posted over the years, my karma would have to be about +3,000 to compete!

(BTW, if you really wanna lose karma, try being a liberal on the Politics boards!  I'd be about 200 points higher if I had never ventured in there!  And it is even worse for karma-per-post figures, since posts there are not counted, but karma is.)

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Karma, shmarma - I gotta agree with sac, northb, CM, and KS.  We would all be better off without it - just ask LeBron