MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

I've never wanted another -karma button more.

I think you've beat that horse so dead that its grandchildren are ill.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

sac - you get some karma love from me for that thought... they are so distracted they missed this:
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/

[sac]

GREAT LAKES         
1   Wooster   19-0   16-0
2   Hope   14-5   10-1
3   Wabash   16-3   15-3
4   Marietta   17-2   14-2
5   Wittenberg   14-5   11-3
6   Penn State-Behrend   16-2   16-1

Other than my paranoia for how these rankings work, I don't see anything even arguable in this.

[KnightSlappy]

GREAT LAKES         
1   Wooster   19-0   16-0
2   Hope   14-5   10-1
3   Wabash   16-3   15-3
4   Marietta   17-2   14-2
5   Wittenberg   14-5   11-3
6   Penn State-Behrend   16-2   16-1

Other than my paranoia for how these rankings work, I don't see anything even arguable in this.

I still don't quite get the Witt over Thiel, but you're right, it's not terrible.

[oldknight]

Really OK.  You normally are a reasonable poster, but in your defense of mediocrity you have stooped to the level of deliberatly cutting a quote to serve your purpose.  I know you like kool-aid, and think KVS is a good coach.  On this we differ.  Why don't you do the intellectually honest thing and post your smart ass comment like you were a Wooster boster

What's wrong with being a Wooster boster? You honor me. I know David Collinge; David Collinge is a friend of mine but I, sir, am no David Collinge.

[goodknight]

I've never wanted another -karma button more.

I think you've beat that horse so dead that its grandchildren are ill.

Brilliant, sac. +k

[sac]

sac - you get some karma love from me for that thought... they are so distracted they missed this:
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/

Aw, well it didn't last long about 2 minutes I believe.  Pettiness rules.    

[hoopdreams]

it all comes down to which 5 players on the floor executes on both ends of the floor.  Every team in the MIAA is completely predictable with what they do/don't do offensively, and maybe, if they're wild, try something slightly different defensively.

The "play" that Krombeen repeatedly hit jump shots on, was the same play that Bunn, Reimink, Wolfe, Griffith, etc... scored on for years.  Can you defend it??

Hope didn't make any big changes defensively, they simply did a better job of what they wanted to do.  Guarantee they wanted to start the game with trapping pressure but turnovers and their inability to score, thus set up the press, and the fact that Calvin came out and shot the piss out of it, made them rethink things.  Regroup at half, get back to the plan, execute.  I was perplexed that calvin didn't attack the middle of the press but some teams choose that route.  Flash Schuster into the middle of it for the catch and its broken.

Realist, I completely agree that neil knew what Calvin wanted to do but I also believe nothing Hope did was a surprise either.  If Krombeen doesn't hit several jump shots in a row, something he hasn't done in some time, if ever, Calvin most likely wins if they defend it. Kalamazoo is going to do the exact same thing Thursday as a few weeks back, will the team adjust?  

Holy crap I'm a slow typer

[KnightSlappy]

sac - you get some karma love from me for that thought... they are so distracted they missed this:
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/

Just bumping this because it hasn't been posted for a couple of seconds. 

[Knightmare]

Sadly the subbing thing is but one symptom of the basic problem with KVS.  The root problem is KVS is rigid, and inflexible, and his mind is made up, and who are you to question anything I do, because...........................?
Matt Neil knew exactly what KVS was going to do in the second half, and he coached his team to counter exactly what he expected.  Every coach in the MIAA knows what KVS and Calvin are going to do.  See the Kalamzoo game, and tell me R. Passage didn't know what Calvin was going to do?

Correct me if I am wrong, but my impression is that you would agree that Matt Neil knew what Calvin would do in the first half as well. What was the problem with the way the first half went?

Good question.  Yes, he knew, and as others rightly pointed out before it is one thing to know what is going to happen, and quite another to be able to stop it.  Calvin players executed the plan well.  In the second half they did not respond or have a fall back position once it became apparent Hope had an adequate counter.   Also Calvin quickly lost composure once Hope started it's run.  Once Hope tied the game, the "hay was in the barn", and while some Hope posters find fault with how Hope managed the clock it wasn't that critical since they were already in Calvin's head.

Seems to me that if a plan is executed and gives the type of results that Calvin had in the 1st half then the coach certainly can't be as incompetent as you are saying.  The saying, "Coaches coach and players play" seems to fit here.  This has happened to EVERY coach through the history of sports.  Whether it be Vince Lombardi, John Wooden or Kevin Vandestreek, they all have games or teams where they come up with a good game plan but it just isn't carried out and executed properly.

Realist, I have a sneaking suspicion that if you were an AD or professional sports owner you would probably go through your far share of coaches.  Take a look at the Pittsburgh Steelers.  They have had 3 (maybe 4 coaches someone can correct me if I'm wrong) in the last 40 years.  That stability has served them well, but they haven't gone to the Super Bowl every year or even made the playoffs every year.  Some years that is because of losing to a superior team, some years because of not executing the "game plan" and other years because of poor coaching.  The correct thing that the Rooney family did is not always make the coach the scapegoat and blame it on them.  I think the Calvin bball team (& coach) should be viewed the same way.  It's not just a coach fault, and if it is you also need to then give the coach 100% of the credit for the successes if you're heaping all the blame his way too.

It just feels (at least to me) that you're trying to make KVS the whipping boy and the root problem of any failures.

[sac]

 A look at some NCAA stat leaders.

Hope
#16 in FG%, which is amazing without a big center I think.
#16 in Assist/Turnover ratio

just outside the top 20 in 3pt FG% and assists,

Adrian
#4 in scoring defense
just outside the top 20 in FG% defense

Calvin
#3 in FT %

Olivet
#18 in assist/turnover ratio
#6 in turnovers per game


Individual's

Hope's David Krombeen is still #3 in steals

Olivet's Michael McClary is still # 2 in scoring (Monday's game not included)

[Pat Coleman]

GREAT LAKES         
1   Wooster   19-0   16-0
2   Hope   14-5   10-1
3   Wabash   16-3   15-3
4   Marietta   17-2   14-2
5   Wittenberg   14-5   11-3
6   Penn State-Behrend   16-2   16-1

Other than my paranoia for how these rankings work, I don't see anything even arguable in this.

I still don't quite get the Witt over Thiel, but you're right, it's not terrible.

Wittenberg 1-1 against regionally ranked opponents probably made the difference over Thiel's 0-0.

[ziggy]

GREAT LAKES         
1   Wooster   19-0   16-0
2   Hope   14-5   10-1
3   Wabash   16-3   15-3
4   Marietta   17-2   14-2
5   Wittenberg   14-5   11-3
6   Penn State-Behrend   16-2   16-1

Other than my paranoia for how these rankings work, I don't see anything even arguable in this.

I still don't quite get the Witt over Thiel, but you're right, it's not terrible.

Wittenberg 1-1 against regionally ranked opponents probably made the difference over Thiel's 0-0.

Thiel is 1-0, win over LaRoche

[Pat Coleman]

Good point -- I don't know how the GL call would know what the MA call is talking about, though. That's something that would have to be handled on the national call level.

[ziggy]

Good point -- I don't know how the GL call would know what the MA call is talking about, though. That's something that would have to be handled on the national call level.

Very true, they may not get credit for that until next week whereas the GL committee could have given Wittenberg credit for the Wabash. Knowing what they know now, I wonder if it would look different without any additional games even being played.