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[KnightSlappy]

What happens if Calvin, Albion and Olivet all finish at 8-6? Does Olivet immediately get the fourth seed because they were the only one of the three to not beat Hope? Then Albion gets the two seed because they have a win against Adrian?

Perhaps a three sided coin is involved.

Calvin and Albion would get disqualified for both losing against each other in the final game.

[hoopdreams]

3 comments Bogey-

1.  You were headed in the "poor me, lets blame the officials" direction then this:

.  The older gentleman with the biggest belly of the three was possibly the worst I have seen in the MIAA this year.  He felt the pressure and overcompensated  by becoming a negative influence in the game by calling way too many unnecessary fouls.  He was thrown out of the league once because the coaches felt he was not good enough only to come back when a new assigner took over.  I can now see why the coaches wanted him out.

Are you agreeing that people in attendance had a valid reason to complain about the officiating?

2.  Regardless of the accuracy of the pass in question, it was near the rim and a ball that could have been caught by both offensive and defensive players.  If the Albion player went for the steal and there was contact, no harm, no foul.  He did not make an attempt and impeded the Hope players movement towards the ball, and intentional or not that is widely regarded as a foul.  How many times during the course of a game does that infraction get called-blocks, hand checks, illegal holds on boxouts, grabbing jerseys, etc....

3.  Love the passion in your response.  Agree or not, I respect it.  Albion won that game, it wasn't taken away by the officials

[section7]

3.  Hope did not deserve to win this game and the officials are not to blame.  Poor shot selection at times by all except Seiler ( I will give credit to Albion's D for much of this), poor decision making, poor defense, poor FT shooting.  Most telling to me....1 team came out to send a message (an ugly one), 1 team came out and thought they'd weather the storm (again), wear their opponent down and win down the stretch.

7.  I agree that the style of play being encouraged by many programs, at all levels, is neither pretty or good for the game of basketball.  Until officials take a stand, and send a message that it won't be tolerated for an entire game, not 1/3 or 1/2 of game time, things will continue to get worse.   Albion was fine with a tightly officiated game at times

Hoopdreams, as always love your posts and especially agree with points #3 and #7.  Like many posters on here, I have watched Hope Bball for over 25+ years (and even played some Hope BBall, although some would debate that )


Last night was ugly, and the word I was using 2 minutes into the game, and has been used (for SAC, once albeit by a Calvin supporter ) here is a Thug-played game.

Public Thug #1 is Kolin Kazen, both with his play (with the ball and more importantly without it) and his attitude.

Maybe cuz I played in the 80/90's (Bad Boys Pistons era), we would not have waited for the officials to send a message, we would have sent it, loud and clear.

My Hope for Hope is they see Albion next Saturday night.  I would have a predetermined plan for Mr. KK-Thug, which would clearly send him a message early on that, that not going happen on our turf again.  My prediction is if Hope turns the tables on Mr. KK-Thug, he may spend some extra time in the locker room, cuz he doesn't have the self-discipline or self-control to maintain his compusure.

Finally, to Snuggs, enough with the "T's", keep the play ground garbage there and quit hurting your team in close games with poor reactions which result in "T's"  

[sac]

Until this last post, the only person who used the term 'thug' was a Calvin supporter.

This is not a term I would use to describe anyone or any team in the MIAA.

[section7]

Until this last post, the only person who used the term 'thug' was a Calvin supporter.

This is not a term I would use to describe anyone or any team in the MIAA.

I'm sure you had a great perspective through your computer screen and hitting the refresh button, plus all the minutes you've logged actually playing.

[sac]

Until this last post, the only person who used the term 'thug' was a Calvin supporter.

This is not a term I would use to describe anyone or any team in the MIAA.

I'm sure you had a great perspective through your computer screen and hitting the refresh button, plus all the minutes you've logged actually playing.

Irrelevant

[section7]

Until this last post, the only person who used the term 'thug' was a Calvin supporter.

This is not a term I would use to describe anyone or any team in the MIAA.

I'm sure you had a great perspective through your computer screen and hitting the refresh button, plus all the minutes you've logged actually playing.

Irrelevant

your arrogance doubles me over in laughter.....so I can get this straight, all your opinions through the screen of your Dell or Apple (and comments...gag), are relevant, but someone who actually is there and has played in games like that is irrelevant.....ok Sac, carry on

[sac]

Its irrelevant that I was there or wasn't there, I've seen Albion and every other MIAA teams play enough times over the years to know no one in this league should be characterized as a 'thug'.  Maybe my definition of 'thug' is different than yours.

That's just very disrespectful.




Colton Overway had a technical last night and should have had one at Albion.  Are you going to call him a thug like Kazan?

Sadly the Hope contingent has been very whiney since about 10:30 last night.

[KnightSlappy]

Its irrelevant that I was there or wasn't there, I've seen Albion and every other MIAA teams play enough times over the years to know no one in this league should be characterized as a 'thug'.  Maybe my definition of 'thug' is different than yours.

That's just very disrespectful.

Colton Overway had a technical last night and should have had one at Albion.  Are you going to call him a thug like Kazan?

Sadly the Hope contingent has been very whiney since about 10:30 last night.

Kazen tried to mix it up with Powell after he "helped" Bryan to the floor with his forearm, and later sent Snikkers to the floor as he was running up the court in the game at Calvin. I'm not sure if he is indeed a thug, but he was acting like one that night.

[section7]

Its irrelevant that I was there or wasn't there, I've seen Albion and every other MIAA teams play enough times over the years to know no one in this league should be characterized as a 'thug'.  Maybe my definition of 'thug' is different than yours.

That's just very disrespectful.

Colton Overway had a technical last night and should have had one at Albion.  Are you going to call him a thug like Kazan?

Sadly the Hope contingent has been very whiney since about 10:30 last night.

I stand by my comments and choice of words.  I have plenty of things I "saw" with my own eyes and those around me saw to support my choice of words.  I could care less about your definition.

Funny too that you were not there to see what happened with Colton, but you use as evidence (ARROGRANCE).  Did you hear Dav's take on the radio (which by the way is a public forum) and his feelings on Colton's T.  I bet not.

I wasn't at Albion (I have heard things), but wasn't there so I can't and won't comment (maybe you should ponder that as a rule for yourself).  I know from many PM's to me, several on this board would appreciate it if you would take that to heart.

Using your words, GAG!

[oldknight]

Its irrelevant that I was there or wasn't there, I've seen Albion and every other MIAA teams play enough times over the years to know no one in this league should be characterized as a 'thug'.  Maybe my definition of 'thug' is different than yours.

That's just very disrespectful.

Colton Overway had a technical last night and should have had one at Albion.  Are you going to call him a thug like Kazan?

Sadly the Hope contingent has been very whiney since about 10:30 last night.

Kazen tried to mix it up with Powell after he "helped" Bryan to the floor with his forearm, and later sent Snikkers to the floor as he was running up the court in the game at Calvin. I'm not sure if he is indeed a thug, but he was acting like one that night.

To be fair, Kazen took a beating (metaphorically speaking) all night trying to guard Snikkers, and was simply frustrated by the 31 point thumping the Brits had to endure. Kolen was so frustrated, he even attempted to win a debate with one of Calvin's smart-aleck, end-zone fans. Kazen lost that matchup too.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

None of this is new behavior for Mr. Kazen. 

If it:

looks like a duck,
walks like a duck,
talks like a duck,
acts like duck,
plays basketball like a duck...

[Pat Coleman]

Until this last post, the only person who used the term 'thug' was a Calvin supporter.

This is not a term I would use to describe anyone or any team in the MIAA.

I'm sure you had a great perspective through your computer screen and hitting the refresh button, plus all the minutes you've logged actually playing.

As always, this isn't necessary. If only former college basketball players were allowed to be fans then your gyms would be a lot emptier.

[hoopdreams]

Slow day, so I'll throw myself into this.....thug, punk, dirty and as one player put it last night, loud enough for fans to hear, a..hole

It seems there is an issue with an adjective used to describe a player?  I'm not sure if KK's actions are being disputed or the act of labeling a student-athlete as non-angelic being inappropriate.  To me, it seems if a player in question is REPEATEDLY directly involved in altercations, tech's, and most importantly, creating chaos, a negative label can be warranted.  Is it appropriate to label someone in a negative light? I suppose that depends on how one's moral compass points.  Freedom of speech???

I am going to throw KK into the ever-brewing pot of players who you hate to play against but love to have on your team.  I have seen enough of Brad Schnyder's in the past 8 years to throw him in and Calvin fans could probably object. Not necessarily dirty just physical and an annoyance.