MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[realist]

Hopefully the matchup with Hanover will allow the prestigious MIAA to end it's recent string of one and dones in the NCAA

[GoKnights68]

Hopefully the matchup with Hanover will allow the prestigious MIAA to end it's recent string of one and dones in the NCAA

I do hope that Hope can get out of the first round, but either way, nobody else in the MIAA can be critical of them no matter what happens, since we all know about the 4 year drought where nobody else from the MIAA has even made the big dance.

[oldknight]

Hopefully the matchup with Hanover will allow the prestigious MIAA to end it's recent string of one and dones in the NCAA

The string is pretty short actually--only two years. Prior to that there's a pretty impressive list of runs:

http://miaa.org/mbb/mbbncaa.html

[KnightSlappy]

Interesting:

2010 Calvin Massey Rating: 0.326 Power: 4.72 (ranked #43 in D3, 747 overall)
2011 Calvin Massey Rating: 0.363 Power: 7.41 (ranked #59 in D3, 693 overall)
ome
The NCAA tournament will change some numbers still, but as of now, Massey isn't as disappointed in Calvin as Doug E Fresh and realist are!

You can add me into the list of disappointed people.  I know SAC and you don't like when people ever criticize a coach in any sort of way on this forum. And while I don't agree with everything Realist says in regards to this matter, I do agree to an extent of what he says.  And I can tell you so do other Calvin fans out there, including some of the administration, as this message board isn't a representative of all Calvin fans out there.

I don't mind the criticism of a coach, but what I do mind is "grumble, grumble, 16-12, grumble, out coached, grumble, underachieved, grumble, grumble"

realist, if I may pick on him, likes to paint the picture that Calvin has been tanking hard the past few years, but the reality is that they trail Hope by 1 game in MIAA play over the past three years. He likes to claim that opposing coaches can beat KVS whenever they wish, but in reality, they can't. Calvin is 33-9 over the past three MIAA seasons.

Is it frustrating losing to Hope in the MIAA finals the past several years? Heck yes. Is it because KVS is this really terrible coach? No.

Trust me, I'd love for Calvin to pick up 19, 20, 21, 22 + plus wins EVERY year. I'd be first in line for that. We'll get back there with KVS.

[ziggy]

Calvin AND Hope women rewarded as hosts

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4515.msg1305260#msg1305260

[thealmascots]

Interesting:

2010 Calvin Massey Rating: 0.326 Power: 4.72 (ranked #43 in D3, 747 overall)
2011 Calvin Massey Rating: 0.363 Power: 7.41 (ranked #59 in D3, 693 overall)
ome
The NCAA tournament will change some numbers still, but as of now, Massey isn't as disappointed in Calvin as Doug E Fresh and realist are!

You can add me into the list of disappointed people.  I know SAC and you don't like when people ever criticize a coach in any sort of way on this forum. And while I don't agree with everything Realist says in regards to this matter, I do agree to an extent of what he says.  And I can tell you so do other Calvin fans out there, including some of the administration, as this message board isn't a representative of all Calvin fans out there.

I don't mind the criticism of a coach, but what I do mind is "grumble, grumble, 16-12, grumble, out coached, grumble, underachieved, grumble, grumble"

realist, if I may pick on him, likes to paint the picture that Calvin has been tanking hard the past few years, but the reality is that they trail Hope by 1 game in MIAA play over the past three years. He likes to claim that opposing coaches can beat KVS whenever they wish, but in reality, they can't. Calvin is 33-9 over the past three MIAA seasons.

Is it frustrating losing to Hope in the MIAA finals the past several years? Heck yes. Is it because KVS is this really terrible coach? No.

Trust me, I'd love for Calvin to pick up 19, 20, 21, 22 + plus wins EVERY year. I'd be first in line for that. We'll get back there with KVS.

I guess what I've been trying to say is there should be no reason to "get back there."  With the talent Calvin has had for the last decade, I don't see anytime where they should have not been in the national tournament.  That's not a slam on Hope...that means that if they happen to lose to Hope they should have a good enough record to earn an at large spot. 

[sac]

The MIAA is releasing its All-MIAA teams Tuesday morning.  I think 5 of the 6 spots are clear cut.

Michael McClary-Olivet
Will Bowser-Hope
Tom Snikkers-Calvin
Joe Prepolec- Kzoo
JC Cruse-Albion

After that I think you could make a case for several players.  I had one person suggest David Krombeen, Hope, another Ian Jackson, Trine.

Curious what other people might think.

As for MVP, most likely it will be Co-MVP's.  Will Bowser had an outstanding year for Hope leading them to the MIAA Championships.  Michael McClary was his usual amazing stat producing self, and will probably finish #2 in the country for scoring.

[Knight2Day]

Interesting:

2010 Calvin Massey Rating: 0.326 Power: 4.72 (ranked #43 in D3, 747 overall)
2011 Calvin Massey Rating: 0.363 Power: 7.41 (ranked #59 in D3, 693 overall)
ome
The NCAA tournament will change some numbers still, but as of now, Massey isn't as disappointed in Calvin as Doug E Fresh and realist are!

You can add me into the list of disappointed people.  I know SAC and you don't like when people ever criticize a coach in any sort of way on this forum. And while I don't agree with everything Realist says in regards to this matter, I do agree to an extent of what he says.  And I can tell you so do other Calvin fans out there, including some of the administration, as this message board isn't a representative of all Calvin fans out there.

I don't mind the criticism of a coach, but what I do mind is "grumble, grumble, 16-12, grumble, out coached, grumble, underachieved, grumble, grumble"

realist, if I may pick on him, likes to paint the picture that Calvin has been tanking hard the past few years, but the reality is that they trail Hope by 1 game in MIAA play over the past three years. He likes to claim that opposing coaches can beat KVS whenever they wish, but in reality, they can't. Calvin is 33-9 over the past three MIAA seasons.

Is it frustrating losing to Hope in the MIAA finals the past several years? Heck yes. Is it because KVS is this really terrible coach? No.

Trust me, I'd love for Calvin to pick up 19, 20, 21, 22 + plus wins EVERY year. I'd be first in line for that. We'll get back there with KVS.

I have to say, there is at least some level (whether great or small) under achievement and after a certain point, you have to start looking at the coach. I'm sorry but I have to say that the last few years, Calvin has certainly had the talent to make it to the NCAA tournament and had the possibility of making a run. It isn't all on the coach, but when teams are continually under performing (and I don't look to the W-L column as a level of success), there is a little bit of a problem. I don't see player growth, players haven't developed from the time they get to Calvin to the time they leave. There have a few "superstars" at Calvin over the last few years, but even they didn't show intense strides of growth in their game. There were times watching the Knights this year (the Adrian game in particular) that the players looked like they barely wanted to be on the court and you have to think that motivation is to be found in the coaching staff. It's a complex issue and I'm sure that there's more being said than anything that can (or should) be put on this board. Different people have different ideas when it comes to measuring success, but for this Calvin fan, looking at the W-L column isn't the best judge of that....

[almcguirejr]

The MIAA is releasing its All-MIAA teams Tuesday morning.  I think 5 of the 6 spots are clear cut.

Michael McClary-Olivet
Will Bowser-Hope
Tom Snikkers-Calvin
Joe Prepolec- Kzoo
JC Cruse-Albion

After that I think you could make a case for several players.  I had one person suggest David Krombeen, Hope, another Ian Jackson, Trine.

Curious what other people might think.

As for MVP, most likely it will be Co-MVP's.  Will Bowser had an outstanding year for Hope leading them to the MIAA Championships.  Michael McClary was his usual amazing stat producing self, and will probably finish #2 in the country for scoring.

Ryan Clark from Kalamzoo, 6th in scoring, 3rd in rebounding, most made 3's in conference, good 3 pt %.

[realist]

KS:  If you don't like it I advise you not to read any of my future posts.

This years sr. class never played in a NCAA game, and what a shame that is.  IMHO it didn't have to happen.  Frankly you seem to think KVS is a decent coach.  On this point we differ.  

[arena]

Why don't you just let it go before you help turn this into a debacle like last year.

Seems like you're sending your message to the wrong person.

good grief, let it go sac. 

[hoopdreams]

-I can't disagree with Clark but I'm not sure a 6th place team deserves 2 first team players.

-Jackson scored well, and I'm not sure about other stats but his team grossly underachieved 3/4 of the season.

- Krombeen played outstanding ball for the majority of the season, is a team leader and catalyst and had arguably the best half of basketball I witnessed this season( 2nd half at Calvin).  He also is one of the best "stealers" in the nation, but as was mentioned earlier- I'm no longer sure he is the best pg on his own team.

-My eyes could deceive me but I don't think JCizzle had the greatest second half of the season but I suppose his "body of work" albeit limited basketball skill-wise (great athlete) is deserving. The stats don't lie i suppose

My vote goes to David, not that it matters.....

Hypothetically, what are your takes on an all-defensive team. No, it can't be Adrian's starting 5!

[BogeyMan]

Sac - Don't really like Cruse this year.  He does not have the stats to make first team.  If he makes the first team it will be on last year's reputation.  I like Clark, Jackson, Prepolec, McClary, Snikkers and Krombeen.  When it comes to the MVP it has to Bowser.  However, I do believe McClary was the best player and Bowser the MVP.

[AndersDY]

Hanover looks like a really young team.  5 Fr. and 7 Soph's, with just 1 Senior.

Great news for Hope!  Looks like an easy bracket and with the professed strength of the MIAA this year, this one should be a cakewalk...all the way to Salem.

Given our tournament resume, I was quite pleased with the matchups Hope drew. We were not likely to get the chance to host once we lost the Albion game and Marietta magically moved ahead of us; plus this is a women-first year for hosting. Since going on the road was assumed, we could have been given a much harder road. We presumably have to play Augustana on the road, but it appears that we are set up to be a first round favorite. Then if we do get by the second round, the third round opponent would be the survivor of the TX bracket which is set up as a geographical necessity rather than based on seeding.

Of the first 3 possible games, playing Augustana appears to be the most difficult, but they did not finish strong prior to their conference tournament (though neither did we with the Albion game). They were 2-1 against Wheaton/Carthage while we were 1-1, though I don't think Hope is playing like they were back in the 2010 calendar year. I assume we would not be favored at Augustana, but it certainly wouldn't be an unwinnable game either.

The women appear to have gotten the harder draw, at least based on names. I don't know if the NCAC is a cakewalk for Denison or Wash U and DePauw aren't their normal selves, but hosting doesn't appear to be much of a reward this year. Also, have their ever been two host sites placed so closely together? Maybe out in the east somewhere.

[sac]

Here is a nice look inside Augustana's Carver Center, I don't know the official capacity but 2,500 seems right.


The building itself is 40 years old, sometime within the last couple years they refurbished the gymnasium at least.

http://www.augustana.edu/x16611.xml