MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[northb]

We never really worried about the engineering majors as changing the dude:skirt ratio as, after all, they were engineering majors!

At Calvin, it would not be Scotty:Velma ratio, but more like Dirk:Ingrid

And isn't saying "dude:skirt ratio" a bit redundant, like an EMT technician

[Knightmare]

All the theoretical football talk is quite interesting BUT this being a basketball forum and all  I'm curious, does anyone have opinions on the type of impacts these players that Calvin has coming in can make.

There seem to be some very intriguing players at various positions.  Any insight or further thoughts would be beneficial.  Anyone seen any of them play in person?

[Happy Calvin Guy]

All the theoretical football talk is quite interesting BUT this being a basketball forum and all  I'm curious, does anyone have opinions on the type of impacts these players that Calvin has coming in can make.

There seem to be some very intriguing players at various positions.  Any insight or further thoughts would be beneficial.  Anyone seen any of them play in person?

Thanks for refocusing the discussion.  Based on my count, there has been mention on this board of five Calvin recruits:

Tyler Dykstra, Holland Christian
Ryan Nadeau, Dearborn Divine Child
Josh Chamberlain, Maranatha (Pasadena CA)
Mickey DeVries, Lansing Christian (by way of Wheaton College)
TJ Huizenga, Randolph, WI

One thing jumps out at me:  only one from a traditional West Michigan feeder school!  And none of the other four is from a traditional CRC "enclave" as far as I can tell.  I would like to interpret this as Calvin and KVS being successful in having more of a national recruiting perspective, and not as any shortcomings in our own backyard.

Just looking at graduating seniors, we would have four varsity roster spots opening up.  It seems to me that on paper that Dykstra and DeVries would be good candidates to make the team and get some playing time right away.  The combo of Nadeau/Chamberlain/(returning) Rietema could fight for the other two spots.  Huizenga put up good numbers for a winning program but looks like he played in a small school division in HS.  This ignores any other spots that might be opening up on the roster, or any of last year's JV players in the mix. 

Any way you slice it, it appears that it's a pretty competitive group of new faces.   

[almcguirejr]

All the theoretical football talk is quite interesting BUT this being a basketball forum and all  I'm curious, does anyone have opinions on the type of impacts these players that Calvin has coming in can make.

There seem to be some very intriguing players at various positions.  Any insight or further thoughts would be beneficial.  Anyone seen any of them play in person?

Thanks for refocusing the discussion.  Based on my count, there has been mention on this board of five Calvin recruits:

Tyler Dykstra, Holland Christian
Ryan Nadeau, Dearborn Divine Child
Josh Chamberlain, Maranatha (Pasadena CA)
Mickey DeVries, Lansing Christian (by way of Wheaton College)
TJ Huizenga, Randolph, WI

One thing jumps out at me:  only one from a traditional West Michigan feeder school!  And none of the other four is from a traditional CRC "enclave" as far as I can tell.  I would like to interpret this as Calvin and KVS being successful in having more of a national recruiting perspective, and not as any shortcomings in our own backyard.

Just looking at graduating seniors, we would have four varsity roster spots opening up.  It seems to me that on paper that Dykstra and DeVries would be good candidates to make the team and get some playing time right away.  The combo of Nadeau/Chamberlain/(returning) Rietema could fight for the other two spots.  Huizenga put up good numbers for a winning program but looks like he played in a small school division in HS.  This ignores any other spots that might be opening up on the roster, or any of last year's JV players in the mix. 

Any way you slice it, it appears that it's a pretty competitive group of new faces.   

Does DeVries have to sit out a year because he transferred?

[KnightSlappy]

All the theoretical football talk is quite interesting BUT this being a basketball forum and all  I'm curious, does anyone have opinions on the type of impacts these players that Calvin has coming in can make.

There seem to be some very intriguing players at various positions.  Any insight or further thoughts would be beneficial.  Anyone seen any of them play in person?

Thanks for refocusing the discussion.  Based on my count, there has been mention on this board of five Calvin recruits:

Tyler Dykstra, Holland Christian
Ryan Nadeau, Dearborn Divine Child
Josh Chamberlain, Maranatha (Pasadena CA)
Mickey DeVries, Lansing Christian (by way of Wheaton College)
TJ Huizenga, Randolph, WI

One thing jumps out at me:  only one from a traditional West Michigan feeder school!  And none of the other four is from a traditional CRC "enclave" as far as I can tell.  I would like to interpret this as Calvin and KVS being successful in having more of a national recruiting perspective, and not as any shortcomings in our own backyard.

Just looking at graduating seniors, we would have four varsity roster spots opening up.  It seems to me that on paper that Dykstra and DeVries would be good candidates to make the team and get some playing time right away.  The combo of Nadeau/Chamberlain/(returning) Rietema could fight for the other two spots.  Huizenga put up good numbers for a winning program but looks like he played in a small school division in HS.  This ignores any other spots that might be opening up on the roster, or any of last year's JV players in the mix. 

Any way you slice it, it appears that it's a pretty competitive group of new faces.   

This brings up a point that ziggy mentioned last season. Even the though the team as a whole wasn't perhaps as good as they've been, the end of the bench guys (Rietema, Fabiyi, Vallie) were a few steps ahead of what we're used to.

They were all enjoyable to watch when they got in the game.

HCG, one name to add is Jake Greene. He missed the whole season with mono (I think). I don't think his roster spot is a lock for next year.

[KnightSlappy]

Does DeVries have to sit out a year because he transferred?

I believe that rule only applies if the student is transferring to a scholarship program.

[realist]

Based on conversations with Calvin administrators it was my impression the "marginal" costs of each student may be higher than some think.  When fr. class enrollments dropped below expected levels they took significant steps to reduce staff, and all other costs to avoid having to raise tuition to cover the shortfall.  My guess would be any increase in enrollment, and the revenue generated thereby would first be used to reacquire the staff displaced, and replace items cut.
Remember each student has to "absorb" so much of the fixed overhead, and as the number of students declines the amount each student has to carry goes up.  Calvin targets 4200, and look at the cuts that took place when it dropped into the 3900 range.

The question I would like to see answered is how many D3 football programs are revenue positive.

Knightmare.  It strikes me that many of the players mentioned are coming from smaller high schools.  Many of these guys have been big fish, but in small ponds.  It is going to take them some time to adjust to the level of competition they will be facing.  I wouldn't really expect any of them to make a significant contribution their first year.  Unless of course one of them is the next Jeremy Veenstra!

[Happy Calvin Guy]

It strikes me that many of the players mentioned are coming from smaller high schools.  Many of these guys have been big fish, but in small ponds.  It is going to take them some time to adjust to the level of competition they will be facing.  I wouldn't really expect any of them to make a significant contribution their first year.  Unless of course one of them is the next Jeremy Veenstra!

Aaron Winkle is another example of a great player coming from a small HS.  IMO it took a year for him to adjust to the college game (I remember him shooting a bit too much at a tad too low of percentage his FR year) but ended up as one of the greats in Knight history.

[realist]

All the theoretical football talk is quite interesting BUT this being a basketball forum and all  I'm curious, does anyone have opinions on the type of impacts these players that Calvin has coming in can make.

There seem to be some very intriguing players at various positions.  Any insight or further thoughts would be beneficial.  Anyone seen any of them play in person?

Thanks for refocusing the discussion.  Based on my count, there has been mention on this board of five Calvin recruits:

Tyler Dykstra, Holland Christian
Ryan Nadeau, Dearborn Divine Child
Josh Chamberlain, Maranatha (Pasadena CA)
Mickey DeVries, Lansing Christian (by way of Wheaton College)
TJ Huizenga, Randolph, WI

One thing jumps out at me:  only one from a traditional West Michigan feeder school!  And none of the other four is from a traditional CRC "enclave" as far as I can tell.  I would like to interpret this as Calvin and KVS being successful in having more of a national recruiting perspective, and not as any shortcomings in our own backyard.

Just looking at graduating seniors, we would have four varsity roster spots opening up.  It seems to me that on paper that Dykstra and DeVries would be good candidates to make the team and get some playing time right away.  The combo of Nadeau/Chamberlain/(returning) Rietema could fight for the other two spots.  Huizenga put up good numbers for a winning program but looks like he played in a small school division in HS.  This ignores any other spots that might be opening up on the roster, or any of last year's JV players in the mix. 

Any way you slice it, it appears that it's a pretty competitive group of new faces.   

At the time Eddie D. was let go from Calvin one of the concerns expressed was his "failure" to recruit more of the local Christian h.s. talent to Calvin. 
It strikes me as more than a little ironic to see KVS praised for " being successful in having more of a national recruiting perspective, " when he was brought in to fix  "shortcomings in our own backyard".

[ziggy]

All the theoretical football talk is quite interesting BUT this being a basketball forum and all  I'm curious, does anyone have opinions on the type of impacts these players that Calvin has coming in can make.

There seem to be some very intriguing players at various positions.  Any insight or further thoughts would be beneficial.  Anyone seen any of them play in person?

Thanks for refocusing the discussion.  Based on my count, there has been mention on this board of five Calvin recruits:

Tyler Dykstra, Holland Christian
Ryan Nadeau, Dearborn Divine Child
Josh Chamberlain, Maranatha (Pasadena CA)
Mickey DeVries, Lansing Christian (by way of Wheaton College)
TJ Huizenga, Randolph, WI

One thing jumps out at me:  only one from a traditional West Michigan feeder school!  And none of the other four is from a traditional CRC "enclave" as far as I can tell.  I would like to interpret this as Calvin and KVS being successful in having more of a national recruiting perspective, and not as any shortcomings in our own backyard.

Just looking at graduating seniors, we would have four varsity roster spots opening up.  It seems to me that on paper that Dykstra and DeVries would be good candidates to make the team and get some playing time right away.  The combo of Nadeau/Chamberlain/(returning) Rietema could fight for the other two spots.  Huizenga put up good numbers for a winning program but looks like he played in a small school division in HS.  This ignores any other spots that might be opening up on the roster, or any of last year's JV players in the mix. 

Any way you slice it, it appears that it's a pretty competitive group of new faces.   

At the time Eddie D. was let go from Calvin one of the concerns expressed was his "failure" to recruit more of the local Christian h.s. talent to Calvin. 
It strikes me as more than a little ironic to see KVS praised for " being successful in having more of a national recruiting perspective, " when he was brought in to fix  "shortcomings in our own backyard".

What I know of Eddie's departure leads me to believe this was less of an issue than you make it out to be.

[oldknight]

Quite honestly, the talent level in West Michigan high school hoops was down this year--at least in the current senior class. In fact, I would say it was one of the weakest fields in recent memory. Other than Tyler Dykstra, I can't think of one senior player from the traditional feeder schools to Calvin worthy of much mention. Dykstra easily was top of the class and he clearly has the necessary size, basketball talent and athleticism to be considered a future MIAA first teamer some time down the road. I believe there are some kids in the current high school freshmen and sophomore classes worth watching over the next two to three years and I imagine I will see Calvin recruiters (and Hope too) attending their games.

Mickey DeVries is eligible to play at Calvin immediately, but it's my understanding that it is far from a foregone conclusion that he will come out for basketball next fall.

[Gregory Sager]

At Calvin, it would not be Scotty:Velma ratio, but more like Dirk:Ingrid

I guess that you didn't get the references:



Commander Montgomery Scott, aka "Scotty", chief engineer of the U.S.S. Enterprise and engineering "miracle worker."



Velma Dinkley, resident brainiac and mystery solver of the Scooby-Doo gang and aspiring NASA scientist.

[northb]

At Calvin, it would not be Scotty:Velma ratio, but more like Dirk:Ingrid

I guess that you didn't get the references:



Commander Montgomery Scott, aka "Scotty", chief engineer of the U.S.S. Enterprise and engineering "miracle worker."



Velma Dinkley, resident brainiac and mystery solver of the Scooby-Doo gang and aspiring NASA scientist.

And I don't think you got the dutch name connection

[Gregory Sager]

At Calvin, it would not be Scotty:Velma ratio, but more like Dirk:Ingrid

I guess that you didn't get the references:



Commander Montgomery Scott, aka "Scotty", chief engineer of the U.S.S. Enterprise and engineering "miracle worker."



Velma Dinkley, resident brainiac and mystery solver of the Scooby-Doo gang and aspiring NASA scientist.

And I don't think you got the dutch name connection

I got it. Looks like I got your -K as well.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I got it. Looks like I got your -K as well.

In the list of things not tolerated around here, whining about losing karma falls just behind tolerance of all things Dutch - especailly during Tulip Time