MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[gordonmann]

It did mention that 10 of the 16 schools that applied for D2 were accepted, and that the 10 are all private schools: Union (NY), Trevecca Nazarene (TN), Azusa Pacific (CA),

I think the Union College that is moving to Division II is Union of Kentucky, not Union of NY.

[realist]

It did mention that 10 of the 16 schools that applied for D2 were accepted, and that the 10 are all private schools: Union (NY), Trevecca Nazarene (TN), Azusa Pacific (CA),

I think the Union College that is moving to Division II is Union of Kentucky, not Union of NY.

Perhaps you are correct.  The GR Press has been known to make mistakes of that kind.  I was working from their article on the 15th, and they listed Union (NY).   It would be a big jump for a small school like Union NY (The Dutchmen) to go from D 3 to D2, 
Union KY is showing as NAIA, but did not have an announcement about going from NAIA to D2 NCAA on their athletic website.

[dansand]

It did mention that 10 of the 16 schools that applied for D2 were accepted, and that the 10 are all private schools: Union (NY), Trevecca Nazarene (TN), Azusa Pacific (CA),

I think the Union College that is moving to Division II is Union of Kentucky, not Union of NY.

Perhaps you are correct.  The GR Press has been known to make mistakes of that kind.  I was working from their article on the 15th, and they listed Union (NY).   It would be a big jump for a small school like Union NY (The Dutchmen) to go from D 3 to D2, 
Union KY is showing as NAIA, but did not have an announcement about going from NAIA to D2 NCAA on their athletic website.

Actually, I believe it's Union University in Jackson, TN...almost as hard as keeping the Concordias straight...

[realist]

You are correct dansand.  The Union TN website is announcing their acceptance into D2.

Union NY plays D-1 hockey in the ECAC, and holds their own.

[Gregory Sager]

I don't think that anything can separate Union (NY) from its cross-river archrival, RPI.

Then again, I also didn't think that anything could separate NAIA archrivals Houghton and Roberts Wesleyan, western New York's two evangelical colleges, yet one is moving over to D3 and the other is moving over to D2.

[sflzman]

Actually, I believe it's Union University in Jackson, TN...almost as hard as keeping the Concordias straight...

Why isn't there something to not allow these duplicate names?

[Gregory Sager]

Actually, I believe it's Union University in Jackson, TN...almost as hard as keeping the Concordias straight...

Why isn't there something to not allow these duplicate names?

What, you mean like a copyright law? That'd go over like a lead balloon, don't you think? Imagine the hue-and-cry if the federal gummint started telling private institutions of higher learning what they could or couldn't call themselves, especially since: a) many of them have been calling themselves by the same name for well over a hundred years; and b) some of the schools with duplicate names are owned and/or operated by the same parent organization (e.g., the many schools named Concordia that are run by the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod).

[Gregory Sager]

Re: Davenport: There may not be anything wrong with Davenport's application or its attempt to manage the required benchmarks for transferring to D2. It may simply be a numbers thing. As I said yesterday, D2 is taking in only ten new members a year. While that is a lot more than the four per year that D3 is currently taking in, it's still too narrow a pipeline in a year in which there are sixteen applicants who are aspiring to join D2. Perhaps the ten that made it are all a little better situated for D2 membership at the moment than is Davenport.

I'd put my money on Davenport getting into the D2 pipeline next year.

[RFMichigan]

Actually, I believe it's Union University in Jackson, TN...almost as hard as keeping the Concordias straight...

Why isn't there something to not allow these duplicate names?

What, you mean like a copyright law? That'd go over like a lead balloon, don't you think? Imagine the hue-and-cry if the federal gummint started telling private institutions of higher learning what they could or couldn't call themselves, especially since: a) many of them have been calling themselves by the same name for well over a hundred years; and b) some of the schools with duplicate names are owned and/or operated by the same parent organization (e.g., the many schools named Concordia that are run by the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod).

Technically, all of the Concordias' "formal name" include a geographical indicator as part of their name. The names of the Concordias in the NAC are Concordia University Chicago (which is actually not even in the city of Chicago itself but in the suburb of River Forest) and Concordia University Wisconsin.  The Concordia in Ann Arbor is named, appropriately - Concordia University - Ann Arbor.

On the other hand, can someone give me the Readers Digest version on:

a) the benefit (and I'm assuming there is a benefit since there are schools making the jump from NAIA to DII but not the other way around) of membership in DII over the NAIA.

and

b) why schools which are just starting athletic programs would choose to go the NAIA route instead of DIII. (I'm guessing the answer to my own question is that DIII requires a minimum number of sports sponsored where the NAIA does not,but if someone knows otherwise ...

[sflzman]

Actually, I believe it's Union University in Jackson, TN...almost as hard as keeping the Concordias straight...

Why isn't there something to not allow these duplicate names?

What, you mean like a copyright law? That'd go over like a lead balloon, don't you think? Imagine the hue-and-cry if the federal gummint started telling private institutions of higher learning what they could or couldn't call themselves, especially since: a) many of them have been calling themselves by the same name for well over a hundred years; and b) some of the schools with duplicate names are owned and/or operated by the same parent organization (e.g., the many schools named Concordia that are run by the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod).

It makes sense, and I knew it was a pretty stupid question when I asked, it's just that you'd think in the case of Union (not Concordia, I get that) that people would be able to come up with a little more creative of a name haha  

[KnightSlappy]

Actually, I believe it's Union University in Jackson, TN...almost as hard as keeping the Concordias straight...

Why isn't there something to not allow these duplicate names?

What, you mean like a copyright law? That'd go over like a lead balloon, don't you think? Imagine the hue-and-cry if the federal gummint started telling private institutions of higher learning what they could or couldn't call themselves, especially since: a) many of them have been calling themselves by the same name for well over a hundred years; and b) some of the schools with duplicate names are owned and/or operated by the same parent organization (e.g., the many schools named Concordia that are run by the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod).

Technically, all of the Concordias' "formal name" include a geographical indicator as part of their name. The names of the Concordias in the NAC are Concordia University Chicago (which is actually not even in the city of Chicago itself but in the suburb of River Forest) and Concordia University Wisconsin.  The Concordia in Ann Arbor is named, appropriately - Concordia University - Ann Arbor.

On the other hand, can someone give me the Readers Digest version on:

a) the benefit (and I'm assuming there is a benefit since there are schools making the jump from NAIA to DII but not the other way around) of membership in DII over the NAIA.

and

b) why schools which are just starting athletic programs would choose to go the NAIA route instead of DIII. (I'm guessing the answer to my own question is that DIII requires a minimum number of sports sponsored where the NAIA does not,but if someone knows otherwise ...

As far as (b), the NCAA requires it's participants to offer a certain number of sports. For D3, it's 5 mens and 5 womens. Two sports of each gender have to be team sports, and fall, winter, and spring seasons must be represented for each gender. I don't belive the NAIA has these sort of rules.

[sflzman]

As far as (b), the NCAA requires it's participants to offer a certain number of sports. For D3, it's 5 mens and 5 womens. Two sports of each gender have to be team sports, and fall, winter, and spring seasons must be represented for each gender. I don't belive the NAIA has these sort of rules.

I believe you're right on that. UM-Dearborn fails to qualify for the 5 and 5 or the fall winter and spring catagories

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[Gregory Sager]

Actually, I believe it's Union University in Jackson, TN...almost as hard as keeping the Concordias straight...

Why isn't there something to not allow these duplicate names?

What, you mean like a copyright law? That'd go over like a lead balloon, don't you think? Imagine the hue-and-cry if the federal gummint started telling private institutions of higher learning what they could or couldn't call themselves, especially since: a) many of them have been calling themselves by the same name for well over a hundred years; and b) some of the schools with duplicate names are owned and/or operated by the same parent organization (e.g., the many schools named Concordia that are run by the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod).

It makes sense, and I knew it was a pretty stupid question when I asked, it's just that you'd think in the case of Union (not Concordia, I get that) that people would be able to come up with a little more creative of a name haha  

I've always been a bit surprised that Union (TN) kept that name even through the Civil War and its aftermath. The word "Union" commonly referred to Mr. Lincoln's government and to his blue-clad armies, which weren't exactly popular south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

Most of the schools in the U.S. with the name "Union" adopted the name for different reasons. The Union in upstate New York took its name from the fact that its founders sought to train ministers from more than one denomination (although the founders were mostly members of what was then called the Dutch Reformed Church, now the Reformed Church of America that is Hope's parent body). The one in Nebraska is so named because several Seventh-Day Adventist conferences banded together in order to found the school. And the one in Tennessee is called Union because several Baptist schools merged to form the school. So it's a name that has historical significance for several of the schools called Union, and the reasons for adopting the name are generally different from each other.

Technically, all of the Concordias' "formal name" include a geographical indicator as part of their name. The names of the Concordias in the NAC are Concordia University Chicago (which is actually not even in the city of Chicago itself but in the suburb of River Forest) and Concordia University Wisconsin.  The Concordia in Ann Arbor is named, appropriately - Concordia University - Ann Arbor.

Quite true, and, informally, most schools that have names identical to other schools in the U.S. are distinguished by state identifiers in larger contexts. F'rinstance, Pat Coleman would never put something on the front page of d3hoops.com about Trinity without specifying which D3 Trinity it was, Trinity (TX) or Trinity (CT). Same with Westminster (MO) and Westminster (PA), or the two St. Josephs, or the two St. Marys. A similar situation existed when Maryville (MO) was a member of D3. Now that that school's moved on to D2, the school of the same name in eastern Tennessee can enjoy the privilege of having the TN identifier removed from its name on this website. And since the Carroll in Montana is NAIA, there's never been any need on this site to identify the D3 school in Waukesha, WI as Carroll (WI). It's just understood that it's our Carroll ... but if you were writing for Sports Illustrated about, say, a football coach whose career began at one of the Carrolls, you'd have to specify either Carroll (MT) or Carroll (WI).

On the other hand, can someone give me the Readers Digest version on:

a) the benefit (and I'm assuming there is a benefit since there are schools making the jump from NAIA to DII but not the other way around) of membership in DII over the NAIA.

and

b) why schools which are just starting athletic programs would choose to go the NAIA route instead of DIII. (I'm guessing the answer to my own question is that DIII requires a minimum number of sports sponsored where the NAIA does not,but if someone knows otherwise ...

Reader's Digest condensed versions aren't exactly in line with my reputation , but:

a) NCAA membership (in any division) means that travel expenses for national tournaments will be paid for; the NAIA requires its members to pay their own way in its national tournaments. The NCAA also has comprehensive insurance covering its national tournaments that the NAIA lacks.

b) You correctly answered your own question.

[Gregory Sager]

Actually, I believe it's Union University in Jackson, TN...almost as hard as keeping the Concordias straight...

Why isn't there something to not allow these duplicate names?

What, you mean like a copyright law? That'd go over like a lead balloon, don't you think? Imagine the hue-and-cry if the federal gummint started telling private institutions of higher learning what they could or couldn't call themselves, especially since: a) many of them have been calling themselves by the same name for well over a hundred years; and b) some of the schools with duplicate names are owned and/or operated by the same parent organization (e.g., the many schools named Concordia that are run by the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod).

Technically, all of the Concordias' "formal name" include a geographical indicator as part of their name. The names of the Concordias in the NAC are Concordia University Chicago (which is actually not even in the city of Chicago itself but in the suburb of River Forest) and Concordia University Wisconsin.  The Concordia in Ann Arbor is named, appropriately - Concordia University - Ann Arbor.

On the other hand, can someone give me the Readers Digest version on:

a) the benefit (and I'm assuming there is a benefit since there are schools making the jump from NAIA to DII but not the other way around) of membership in DII over the NAIA.

and

b) why schools which are just starting athletic programs would choose to go the NAIA route instead of DIII. (I'm guessing the answer to my own question is that DIII requires a minimum number of sports sponsored where the NAIA does not,but if someone knows otherwise ...

As far as (b), the NCAA requires it's participants to offer a certain number of sports. For D3, it's 5 mens and 5 womens. Two sports of each gender have to be team sports, and fall, winter, and spring seasons must be represented for each gender. I don't belive the NAIA has these sort of rules.

The minimum number of sports required by D3 has changed. The 5-and-5 threshold now only exists for institutions with 1,000 or fewer students. Schools larger than that now must field teams in six men's sports and six women's sports.

[kate]

All of the above posts are Very informative - thank you!  Always trying to learn!   There's also a Trinity in the Independent League in Washington, D.C.    Thanks, again, for this wealth of info!