MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[KnightSlappy]

Actually, I believe it's Union University in Jackson, TN...almost as hard as keeping the Concordias straight...

Why isn't there something to not allow these duplicate names?

What, you mean like a copyright law? That'd go over like a lead balloon, don't you think? Imagine the hue-and-cry if the federal gummint started telling private institutions of higher learning what they could or couldn't call themselves, especially since: a) many of them have been calling themselves by the same name for well over a hundred years; and b) some of the schools with duplicate names are owned and/or operated by the same parent organization (e.g., the many schools named Concordia that are run by the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod).

Technically, all of the Concordias' "formal name" include a geographical indicator as part of their name. The names of the Concordias in the NAC are Concordia University Chicago (which is actually not even in the city of Chicago itself but in the suburb of River Forest) and Concordia University Wisconsin.  The Concordia in Ann Arbor is named, appropriately - Concordia University - Ann Arbor.

On the other hand, can someone give me the Readers Digest version on:

a) the benefit (and I'm assuming there is a benefit since there are schools making the jump from NAIA to DII but not the other way around) of membership in DII over the NAIA.

and

b) why schools which are just starting athletic programs would choose to go the NAIA route instead of DIII. (I'm guessing the answer to my own question is that DIII requires a minimum number of sports sponsored where the NAIA does not,but if someone knows otherwise ...

As far as (b), the NCAA requires it's participants to offer a certain number of sports. For D3, it's 5 mens and 5 womens. Two sports of each gender have to be team sports, and fall, winter, and spring seasons must be represented for each gender. I don't belive the NAIA has these sort of rules.

The minimum number of sports required by D3 has changed. The 5-and-5 threshold now only exists for institutions with 1,000 or fewer students. Schools larger than that now must field teams in six men's sports and six women's sports.

I got my info from an NCAA website, so I should have expected it to be wrong/outdated.

[Gregory Sager]

Actually, I believe it's Union University in Jackson, TN...almost as hard as keeping the Concordias straight...

Why isn't there something to not allow these duplicate names?

What, you mean like a copyright law? That'd go over like a lead balloon, don't you think? Imagine the hue-and-cry if the federal gummint started telling private institutions of higher learning what they could or couldn't call themselves, especially since: a) many of them have been calling themselves by the same name for well over a hundred years; and b) some of the schools with duplicate names are owned and/or operated by the same parent organization (e.g., the many schools named Concordia that are run by the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod).

Technically, all of the Concordias' "formal name" include a geographical indicator as part of their name. The names of the Concordias in the NAC are Concordia University Chicago (which is actually not even in the city of Chicago itself but in the suburb of River Forest) and Concordia University Wisconsin.  The Concordia in Ann Arbor is named, appropriately - Concordia University - Ann Arbor.

On the other hand, can someone give me the Readers Digest version on:

a) the benefit (and I'm assuming there is a benefit since there are schools making the jump from NAIA to DII but not the other way around) of membership in DII over the NAIA.

and

b) why schools which are just starting athletic programs would choose to go the NAIA route instead of DIII. (I'm guessing the answer to my own question is that DIII requires a minimum number of sports sponsored where the NAIA does not,but if someone knows otherwise ...

As far as (b), the NCAA requires it's participants to offer a certain number of sports. For D3, it's 5 mens and 5 womens. Two sports of each gender have to be team sports, and fall, winter, and spring seasons must be represented for each gender. I don't belive the NAIA has these sort of rules.

The minimum number of sports required by D3 has changed. The 5-and-5 threshold now only exists for institutions with 1,000 or fewer students. Schools larger than that now must field teams in six men's sports and six women's sports.

I got my info from an NCAA website, so I should have expected it to be wrong/outdated.

Yeah, I know. The blurb on the NCAA website about the differences between the three divisions still shows that the D3 minimum requirement is 5-and-5 -- yet the D3 manual, also viewable on the NCAA site as a PDF file, now indicates the new 5-and-5-if-under-1000, 6-and-6-if-over-1000 specs on page 220.

If you ask me, it speaks volumes about the NCAA's attitude of benign neglect towards D3 in general.

[sac]

Re: Davenport: There may not be anything wrong with Davenport's application or its attempt to manage the required benchmarks for transferring to D2. It may simply be a numbers thing. As I said yesterday, D2 is taking in only ten new members a year. While that is a lot more than the four per year that D3 is currently taking in, it's still too narrow a pipeline in a year in which there are sixteen applicants who are aspiring to join D2. Perhaps the ten that made it are all a little better situated for D2 membership at the moment than is Davenport.

I'd put my money on Davenport getting into the D2 pipeline next year.

Other than their gym  which is pretty nice but still small for D2, I don't really think Davenport has D2 facilities (let alone D3).  They may have a long range plan based on D2 membership, I really don't know.    http://www.dupanthers.com/sports/2010/4/5/GEN_0405103312.aspx

The baseball team plays its home games at Kentwood High School, softball is off-campus, among other sports.

Far cry from GVSU, but then comparing any D2 to GVSU's facilities is pretty unfair.

[sac]

On the other hand, can someone give me the Readers Digest version on:

a) the benefit (and I'm assuming there is a benefit since there are schools making the jump from NAIA to DII but not the other way around) of membership in DII over the NAIA.

and

b) why schools which are just starting athletic programs would choose to go the NAIA route instead of DIII. (I'm guessing the answer to my own question is that DIII requires a minimum number of sports sponsored where the NAIA does not,but if someone knows otherwise ...

Its not the readers digest version but for a) the NCAA II has outlined all of this in a handy pdf file..... http://www.diicommunity.org/uploads/documents/Membership%20Benefits%20Document_%20Final%20FEB%202011_06988.pdf


for b) I think its just easier to enter NAIA both in terms of requirements and availability.

[HopeConvert]

All of the above posts are Very informative - thank you!  Always trying to learn!   There's also a Trinity in the Independent League in Washington, D.C.    Thanks, again, for this wealth of info!

They play exclusively against CUA. Just usually not at the DuFour.

[realist]

Actually, I believe it's Union University in Jackson, TN...almost as hard as keeping the Concordias straight...

Why isn't there something to not allow these duplicate names?

What, you mean like a copyright law? That'd go over like a lead balloon, don't you think? Imagine the hue-and-cry if the federal gummint started telling private institutions of higher learning what they could or couldn't call themselves, especially since: a) many of them have been calling themselves by the same name for well over a hundred years; and b) some of the schools with duplicate names are owned and/or operated by the same parent organization (e.g., the many schools named Concordia that are run by the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod).

It makes sense, and I knew it was a pretty stupid question when I asked, it's just that you'd think in the case of Union (not Concordia, I get that) that people would be able to come up with a little more creative of a name haha  

Like:  Alma, Olivet, Kalamazoo, Adrian, Albion 

[Knight81]

Re: Davenport: There may not be anything wrong with Davenport's application or its attempt to manage the required benchmarks for transferring to D2. It may simply be a numbers thing. As I said yesterday, D2 is taking in only ten new members a year. While that is a lot more than the four per year that D3 is currently taking in, it's still too narrow a pipeline in a year in which there are sixteen applicants who are aspiring to join D2. Perhaps the ten that made it are all a little better situated for D2 membership at the moment than is Davenport.

I'd put my money on Davenport getting into the D2 pipeline next year.

Other than their gym  which is pretty nice but still small for D2, I don't really think Davenport has D2 facilities (let alone D3).  They may have a long range plan based on D2 membership, I really don't know.    http://www.dupanthers.com/sports/2010/4/5/GEN_0405103312.aspx

The baseball team plays its home games at Kentwood High School, softball is off-campus, among other sports.

Far cry from GVSU, but then comparing any D2 to GVSU's facilities is pretty unfair.

GVSU's facilities aren't that great. Both Calvin and Hope's basketball facilities are far superior to GVSU's Fieldhouse.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Re: Davenport: There may not be anything wrong with Davenport's application or its attempt to manage the required benchmarks for transferring to D2. It may simply be a numbers thing. As I said yesterday, D2 is taking in only ten new members a year. While that is a lot more than the four per year that D3 is currently taking in, it's still too narrow a pipeline in a year in which there are sixteen applicants who are aspiring to join D2. Perhaps the ten that made it are all a little better situated for D2 membership at the moment than is Davenport.

I'd put my money on Davenport getting into the D2 pipeline next year.

Other than their gym  which is pretty nice but still small for D2, I don't really think Davenport has D2 facilities (let alone D3).  They may have a long range plan based on D2 membership, I really don't know.    http://www.dupanthers.com/sports/2010/4/5/GEN_0405103312.aspx

The baseball team plays its home games at Kentwood High School, softball is off-campus, among other sports.

Far cry from GVSU, but then comparing any D2 to GVSU's facilities is pretty unfair.

GVSU's facilities aren't that great. Both Calvin and Hope's basketball facilities are far superior to GVSU's Fieldhouse.

This might have something to do with that (and GVSU has had some good teams recently).  Average attendance for home basketball 2010-2011:

GVSU Men: 1313
Hope Men: 2818
Hope Women: 1546

[Mr. Ypsi]

If this was already mentioned, I don't recall it:

The national-record 75 game winning streak by the Homer baseball team was eclipsed twice this season.  A New Hampshire team won 83 straight, and an Iowa team just won their 84th.  Both streaks are still alive.

[sac]

GVSU's facilities aren't that great. Both Calvin and Hope's basketball facilities are far superior to GVSU's Fieldhouse.

As a total athletic facility, its very good for any D2.  I realize the gym isn't the best when compared to D3's two best, but vs the rest of the GLIAC and most of D2 its still a pretty good facility.

How many D2's have an on campus golf course and an indoor practice building for football and other sports.  Which also has an indoor full competition track.

http://www.gvsulakers.com/facilities/kellyfamilysportscenter.html

[hoopdreams]

GVSU's fieldhouse is a joke and for a building that hosts multiple sports, including recent highly nationally ranked teams in hoops and volleyball, you would think they'd receive a little football fun money to spruce up the joint (more so than the stupid inflatable Laker they run under taking the court).

Does anyone know how Bowser's tryout went?  To my knowledge, he's been back several days now but I don't know the timeline for these things.  Believe he is playing at the Courthouse with Caleb Simons, Allen Durham and others on Thursday nights too.  

FWIW- EE did not get the AD position at Hudsonville.

[sac]

Some randomness for today......

http://www.sooeveningnews.com/features/x920800863/2-382-miles-Guimond-bikes-across-the-nation

Rob played one year of JV basketball for Hope.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Olivet has launched a new website for athletics - looks pretty nice!!  I like the archived info / record book link - has team records back to pre-1900.  Football includes scores form games that far back as well.  Does the future hold similar info for basketball?

www.olivetcomets.com

[OC_SID]

Olivet has launched a new website for athletics - looks pretty nice!!  I like the archived info / record book link - has team records back to pre-1900.  Football includes scores form games that far back as well.  Does the future hold similar info for basketball?

www.olivetcomets.com

The link for the men's basketball record book (PDF version) has all-time game-by-game results included in it ... The plan is to get the basketball scores in the same format as football. Along with taking everything from the PDFs and posting them as pages on the site.

[sflzman]

New site indeed looks very nice. These PrestoSports sites that Adrian and Olivet feature have a great look to them. I had heard that Alma has been looking into going through them as well, now that they feature 22 varsity sports, but it sounds like if that even gets done, it won't be until the 2012-13 athletic calendar.....