MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[hoopdreams]

Wow! DCV laying some smack and taking names.  I must say the "boldness" of the statements are straight forward and fairly correct.  Hope goes 13-1 in MIAA.....book it.

[northb]

I think a teams record against non-conference opponents is a glaring insight into how good a team really is or is going to be. And yes they routinely beat MIAA opponents (not last year), but I feel like that last few years if it werent for the MIAA season Calvin wouldn't even have finished .500. I am not saying Hope has dominated the non-conference at all, but I never recall seeing Hope start 1-5, 2-6 etc.

Easy enough to get the stats:
2010/11 5-6 preconference record
2009/10 5-6 preconference record
2008/09 5-5 preconference record

[northb]

I am not saying Hope has dominated the non-conference at all, but I never recall seeing Hope start 1-5, 2-6 etc.

2010/11 Season

Tuesday, Nov. 23, Davenport 81, Hope 64  (0-1)
Friday-Saturday, Nov. 26-27, Hall of Fame Classic at Aquinas
Cornerstone 85, Hope 76 (0-2)
Hope 92, Aquinas 69  (1-2)
Friday-Saturday, Dec. 3-4, CCIW/MIAA Classic at Carthage
Friday: Carthage 71, Hope 70 (1-3)
Saturday: Hope 80 Wheaton 74 box (2-4)
Friday-Saturday, Dec. 10-11, HOLLAND SENTINEL COMMUNITY TOURNAMENT
Grace Bible 93, Hope 90 box (2-5)

Pretty close.

[northb]

Once Calvin finally wins the MIAA tournament and makes into the tournament I think you really have no room to gloat on a 33-9 conference record and two MIAA championships that got them absolutely no where.

If you are a vett, as in veteran observer of the MIAA, take the long view:

Calvin MIAA Tournament Championships

1992

1993

1994

2000

2001

2004

2005

2007

And you just don't want to get into a discussion about the NCAA tournament with a Calvin fan (hint:the trump card has a 2 on it).

[oldknight]

..... let it be written that after a 6 month truce the first shots of the continuing epic struggle between RCA and CRC colleges were fired at 6pm October 17th, 2011 by DewCrewVett.

Isn't that the cannon near Oval Beach pointed southwest--aimed right at Carthage College? Probably should turn that baby around.

I know this isn't the soccer board but it seems few visit there so let me weigh in on Saturday night's rivalry clash on the pitch (or the field turf) at Hope College. It really was a great game, had great atmosphere, and a boisterous but respectful crowd of more than 3500. How many schools can produce attendance like that at a college soccer match? It's a testament to the enduring power of the greatest rivalry in college sports.

Calvin won 1-0 with the lone goal coming off the foot of Nick Holtrop--just one of many products of the Randy Heethuis led soccer factory at Hudsonville Unity Christian HS--when Nick blasted a rocket from about 20 yards outside the box. Hope's fine GK Logan Neil, son of basketball coach Matt Neil, stretched out his full 6'4" frame but the ball just barely got over his fingertips and just under the crossbar for the only goal of the game. It may have been the only score but the tilt had its share of exciting moments and good play. Logan's brother, Grant Neil, is a real weapon with his ability to make perfect placement of throw-ins in front of the Calvin goal mouth. The final moments contained heartstopping action with the Flying Dutchmen seeing three straight corners turned away by the Knight defenders in the final 45 seconds of the game to avoid an overtime. Great stuff and a joy to watch.

[Civic Minded]

Boisterous but respectful ended for me when the calvin faithful booed an injured Hope player.  Nice.   

[calvin_grad]

Boisterous but respectful ended for me when the calvin faithful booed an injured Hope player.  Nice.   

It's soccer.  He was faking.  You just spray some of that magic spray on the gaping flesh wound that was just inflicted, limp off the field like you are close to death, and then get right back in the game.  Isn't that how it's supposed to work??   

[wiz]

Please!  Can't we all just get along?

[sac]

Please!  Can't we all just get along?

Seems like this may have already been answered in 1834 and 1857. 

[KnightSlappy]

I think a teams record against non-conference opponents is a glaring insight into how good a team really is or is going to be. And yes they routinely beat MIAA opponents (not last year), but I feel like that last few years if it werent for the MIAA season Calvin wouldn't even have finished .500. I am not saying Hope has dominated the non-conference at all, but I never recall seeing Hope start 1-5, 2-6 etc.

I completely disagree. When trying to compare the two teams, the best comparison is conference record. Same exact teams in the same home-away series. Calvin was 33-9 over the last three years, and Hope was 34-8. I'll be the first one to say that Hope has been the better team, and they've made the best of their opportunities, but let's all stop pretending like Calvin's done nothing and Hope's been the gold standard.

The full credit goes to Hope for the 6-4 record against Calvin in that same time period, but I don't think any Hope fan would call those games cake walks. We're really one or two bounces away from these teams sharing identical conference records and identical head to head records over the past three years.

I think you really have no room to gloat on a 33-9 conference record and two MIAA championships that got them absolutely no where.

How's that first tournament weekend been treating you?

And you just don't want to get into a discussion about the NCAA tournament with a Calvin fan (hint:the trump card has a 2 on it).

Exactly. As Mercury Morris said: "don't call me when you're in my town, call me when you're on my block and I see you next door moving your furniture in"

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I think you really have no room to gloat on a 33-9 conference record and two MIAA championships that got them absolutely no where.

How's that first tournament weekend been treating you?

I thought this a strange question, but then I remembered your season was over so you probably stopped following the game.  6-3 during our current 6 year NCAA streak.  We've had a couple tough years sure, but we were playing weren't we.  How were your last couple visits to the tournament?           

Calvin reply (beating you to it) - "We've got 2 banners"     

[Dark Knight]

I think you really have no room to gloat on a 33-9 conference record and two MIAA championships that got them absolutely no where.

How's that first tournament weekend been treating you?

I thought this a strange question, but then I remembered your season was over so you probably stopped following the game.  6-3 during our current 6 year NCAA streak.  We've had a couple tough years sure, but we were playing weren't we.  How were your last couple visits to the tournament?           

Calvin reply (beating you to it) - "We've got 2 banners"     

Hope reply (beating you to it) -- "We've got even more -- final four, largest attendance, national championship (fake), mascot most likely to give nightmares to young children..." 

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I think you really have no room to gloat on a 33-9 conference record and two MIAA championships that got them absolutely no where.

How's that first tournament weekend been treating you?

I thought this a strange question, but then I remembered your season was over so you probably stopped following the game.  6-3 during our current 6 year NCAA streak.  We've had a couple tough years sure, but we were playing weren't we.  How were your last couple visits to the tournament?           

Calvin reply (beating you to it) - "We've got 2 banners"     

Hope reply (beating you to it) -- "We've got even more -- final four, largest attendance, national championship (fake), mascot most likely to give nightmares to young children..." 

The bold one is definitely yours

[realist]

..... let it be written that after a 6 month truce the first shots of the continuing epic struggle between RCA and CRC colleges were fired at 6pm October 17th, 2011 by DewCrewVett.

+k.   Does one side firing blanks count?

[sac]

..... let it be written that after a 6 month truce the first shots of the continuing epic struggle between RCA and CRC colleges were fired at 6pm October 17th, 2011 by DewCrewVett.

Isn't that the cannon near Oval Beach pointed southwest--aimed right at Carthage College? Probably should turn that baby around.

It's a generic pic from Fort Marlborough.  I think Google may have been confused yesterday.