MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[ziggy]

And Hope's roster is up (varsity is this year, JV roster is still from last year):

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/mbb/mbbrost.html

16 players?

[northb]

I'm pretty confident Albion Fr. Brennan Ackerman becomes the first MIAA player with a listing on the IMDB (internet movie data base)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4168979/

Hmmmmmm, not so fast there...

Same guy?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3448616/

[Flying Dutch Fan]

And Hope's roster is up (varsity is this year, JV roster is still from last year):

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/mbb/mbbrost.html

Holy Juniors Batman!

Appears to be a work in progress.  Krombeen, Logan Neil, and King are listed as Jrs - all 3 are Srs

[oldknight]

You don't want me to go all Calvinistic Frisian on you.

That would be a marked improvement.

Perhaps, but this old Frisian is never going to drink the kool-aid.

Like your Bearenburch unadulterated, don't you?

[devossed]

And Hope's roster is up (varsity is this year, JV roster is still from last year):

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/mbb/mbbrost.html

Holy Juniors Batman!

Appears to be a work in progress.  Krombeen, Logan Neil, and King are listed as Jrs - all 3 are Srs

+ agreed, as i think it's 'hankinson" for the FR

+ but i'd be curious to see if toren really does shrink, when trying to stuff inside a JV jersey...darn lycra...

[Flying Dutch Fan]

And Hope's roster is up (varsity is this year):

http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/mbb/mbbrost.html

16 players?

Now that the JV roster is up you will see that 2 of the 16 are listed on both JV and Varsity - Toren and Hankinson.

Intersting article on Hankinson:

http://www.mlive.com/sports/muskegon/index.ssf/2011/02/michael_hankinsons_versatility.html

50% of the JV is from Illinois - interesting

[goodknight]

You don't want me to go all Calvinistic Frisian on you.

That would be a marked improvement.

Perhaps, but this old Frisian is never going to drink the kool-aid.

Like your Bearenburch unadulterated, don't you?

Make mine a Sonnema, straight up!  Smaak lekker.

[realist]

You don't want me to go all Calvinistic Frisian on you.

That would be a marked improvement.

Perhaps, but this old Frisian is never going to drink the kool-aid.

Like your Bearenburch unadulterated, don't you?

Sadly yes.   
For years I tried beer, and cheap wines, and than more expensive wines to offset the bitter taste left in my mouth, and memories from watching a KVS coached team.

One has to admit that anything that is 30%  works faster to help one forget the squandered talent and opportunites that have occurred within the Calvin program in recent years.
"Bearenburch is in op krûden lutsen Fryske distillearde drank mei in alkoholpersintaazje fan om de 30%. De oarspronklijke Beerenburg (met een haadletter, twa e's yn it earste wurdlid en in g oan de ein) waard healwei de 19e ieu makke troch Amsterdamske jeneverstokers dy 't in geheim krûdemingsel fan de Amsterdamske krûdekeapman Hindrik Beerenburg brûkten.

Al gau ûntstienen der pleatslike farianten op de bearenburch, mei in eigen resept. Dy mochten lykwols net Beerenburgs namme hawwe. Dêrtroch binne der ferskate staveringsfariaasjes op de namme Beerenburg ûntstien binne lykas Berenburg en Berenburger.

Hoewol't de bearenburch fan Amsterdamske komôf is, hat de drank benammen yn Fryslân en yn mindere mate yn Grinslân oan populariteit wûn. In Fryske spesjaliteit mei bearenburch is  Dokkumer kofje".

Dokkumer kofje  I have to admit that for years when Grandma said this to me (bless her heart) I thought it was a commplement.

[northb]

Realist,

What are some benchmarks that would tell you that KVS has seen the light and is changing his ways?  It is often helpful to set specific benchmarks that we can then look at later on and see if our goal has been reached.  Is it wins alone?  Tournament?  Or will we just know it when we see it?

[Gregory Sager]

Realist,

What are some benchmarks that would tell you that KVS has seen the light and is changing his ways?  It is often helpful to set specific benchmarks that we can then look at later on and see if our goal has been reached.  Is it wins alone?  Tournament?  Or will we just know it when we see it?

Yes, I believe that former U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart once compared successful Calvin basketball to pornography in that regard.

[oldknight]

Realist,

What are some benchmarks that would tell you that KVS has seen the light and is changing his ways?  It is often helpful to set specific benchmarks that we can then look at later on and see if our goal has been reached.  Is it wins alone?  Tournament?  Or will we just know it when we see it?

Yes, I believe that former U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart once compared successful Calvin basketball to pornography in that regard.

GS:  Actually, the case that reached the high court involved realist's attempt to criminalize Calvin's coaching decisions by labeling them "pornographic." Reading Justice Stewart's full quote from Jacobellis vs Ohio, 378 U.S. 184, 84  S.Ct. 1676 (1964), helps provide some context. The full quote reads as follows:

"It is possible to read KVS in a variety of ways. In saying this, I imply no criticism of Calvin's coaching staff, who in those cases was faced with the task of trying to define what may be indefinable. I have reached the conclusion, which I think is confirmed at least by negative implication for coaching decisions since the loss to Hope, that under the First and Fourteenth Amendments criminal laws in this area are constitutionally limited to hard-core pornographic coaching. I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of coaching material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and Calvin's coaching involved in this case is not that."

Id. at 197, 84 S.Ct. at 1683.

Of course, as any competent 2L taking Con Law knows, Stewart's definition did not prevail, and was ultimately supplanted by the three part test set forth in Miller vs. California, 413 U.S. 15, 93 S.Ct. 2607 (1973).

[KnightSlappy]

Some average roster heights for the teams that have full rosters listed:

Calvin: 6-5.1
Hope: 6-4.1
Olivet: 6-3
Trine: 6-2.9
Alma (what's listed): 6-2
Kalamazoo (non-freshmen): 6-1.4

I've obviously never combed through rosters around the country, but averaging more than 6-5 has to put Calvin among the tallest handful of teams, right?

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Sentinel article on the Dutchmen:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x742507334/Matt-Neil-Hope-mens-basketball-very-very-big

[sac]

Some average roster heights for the teams that have full rosters listed:

Calvin: 6-5.1
Hope: 6-4.1
Olivet: 6-3
Trine: 6-2.9
Alma (what's listed): 6-2
Kalamazoo (non-freshmen): 6-1.4

I've obviously never combed through rosters around the country, but averaging more than 6-5 has to put Calvin among the tallest handful of teams, right?

I would check out Augustana, they were probably the tallest team in D3 last year.

[HopeConvert]

Realist,

What are some benchmarks that would tell you that KVS has seen the light and is changing his ways?  It is often helpful to set specific benchmarks that we can then look at later on and see if our goal has been reached.  Is it wins alone?  Tournament?  Or will we just know it when we see it?

Yes, I believe that former U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart once compared successful Calvin basketball to pornography in that regard.

GS:  Actually, the case that reached the high court involved realist's attempt to criminalize Calvin's coaching decisions by labeling them "pornographic." Reading Justice Stewart's full quote from Jacobellis vs Ohio, 378 U.S. 184, 84  S.Ct. 1676 (1964), helps provide some context. The full quote reads as follows:

"It is possible to read KVS in a variety of ways. In saying this, I imply no criticism of Calvin's coaching staff, who in those cases was faced with the task of trying to define what may be indefinable. I have reached the conclusion, which I think is confirmed at least by negative implication for coaching decisions since the loss to Hope, that under the First and Fourteenth Amendments criminal laws in this area are constitutionally limited to hard-core pornographic coaching. I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of coaching material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and Calvin's coaching involved in this case is not that."

Id. at 197, 84 S.Ct. at 1683.

Of course, as any competent 2L taking Con Law knows, Stewart's definition did not prevail, and was ultimately supplanted by the three part test set forth in Miller vs. California, 413 U.S. 15, 93 S.Ct. 2607 (1973).

Don't get me started on the 14th Amendment. That just puts me in a foul mood.  I'll go to my grave fighting incorporation.