MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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but what was beyond the normal bad MIAA officiating was the odd attention to the crowd and the benchs. I'm sure some Dew Crewer did indeed touch the floor at least a bit when the warning was made, but I've never seen officials so intent on telling the fans to get back or telling each bench to sit down during play. They seemed to think they were at a symphony concert instead of the rowdiest D3 game of the year. (Aside - loved the wink and nod from Neil toward the Dew Crew upon hearing they were being warned about a possible T.)

Noted.....I couldn't believe how picky these guys were being especially with the benches.  I've never seen referees try to control a team coming out on the floor to high five their teammates during a timeout. 

I'm not sure many others saw it but during warmups one of the refs made sure to pull Holwerda aside and warn him about touching the rim or dunking or something.  Probably should have been a clue then.

Otherwise they let them play, but that stuff was weird.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Short night - be dragging all day (in Europe) but wouldn't have missed it (even just listening) for the world.  Couple of thoughts:

- Hope has (for several rivalry games in a row) started horribly, almost like they are overconfident.  Last night it was obviously corrected at halftime, but this is a trend that needs to be corrected.  Calvin was the aggressor and Hope appeared (sounded) to have been reading their own press clippings.

- Huge second half by Bunn and Snuggs!!  29 points between them.  Snuggs 2 blocks in the game move him to 101 career - a nice milestone.

- Krombeen - thanks for keeping Hope within striking distance in the first half - as usual your contribution was enormous.  10 points vs Olivet this Saturday will get David to 1000.

- Colton Overway - best "2nd string" point guard in DIII.  Energy, hustle, assists (8), rebounding (4).  Every time Hope has gone on a significant run this year, it seems Coltons energy is what powers it. 
   
- The excitement of the potential to watch this game on-line was a much nicer experience than actually trying to watch it.  I suspect the bandwidth to support the number of people attempting to watch simply wiped out that ability.  Even Hope's live stats seemed overwhelmed by the numbers.  Definitely something to be addressed prior to Hope streaming video for all home games.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Interesting quote from KVS in the GR Press:

I knew coming in we were going to have to play about as well as we're capable of playing for a full 40 minutes," Calvin coach Kevin Vande Streek said. "Hope's talking about winning national championships and we're just trying to beat our junior varsity in practice. We're not to the same talent level individually.

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Interesting quote from KVS in the GR Press:

I knew coming in we were going to have to play about as well as we're capable of playing for a full 40 minutes," Calvin coach Kevin Vande Streek said. "Hope's talking about winning national championships and we're just trying to beat our junior varsity in practice. We're not to the same talent level individually.

Someone is choosing to piece together select quotes and making them one.  This is in the Sentinel, it appears to be the same yet a very different quote.

"I knew going in we would have to play about as well as we are capable of playing for 40 minutes," Calvin coach Kevin Vande Streek said. "I thought for maybe 35 or 38 minutes we defended really well, took good shots and took care of the ball, but then Hope went on a run and the crowd got a little louder and we seemed to fragment a little bit."

[almcguirejr]

Someone is choosing to piece together select quotes and making them one.  This is in the Sentinel, it appears to be the same yet a very different quote.

"I knew going in we would have to play about as well as we are capable of playing for 40 minutes," Calvin coach Kevin Vande Streek said. "I thought for maybe 35 or 38 minutes we defended really well, took good shots and took care of the ball, but then Hope went on a run and the crowd got a little louder and we seemed to fragment a little bit."

This is a quote KVS used after the game in an interview with Doug Wentworth.  I think he meant to say "25 or 28" minutes they played well.

[BogeyMan]

Are the box scores with the officials' names listed available anywhere.  I would like to take a look at some numbers from last night's games and who some of the officials were in the league.

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Are the box scores with the officials' names listed available anywhere.  I would like to take a look at some numbers from last night's games and who some of the officials were in the league.

All the box scores are at miaa.org,
http://miaa.org/mbb/stats/1112/confstat.htm


It's been a few years since I discussed officials with anyone from the league, but the pool of officials available for MIAA games seems to be much greater than even just a few years ago.

Many of the officials are working both MIAA and GLIAC games with a few appearances in D1 for a couple guys.  A quick count from Saturday shows 8 guys working GLIAC games who should be familiar to MIAA fans.

[BogeyMan]

From what I have seen, the officiating in the MIAA has been as good as it's ever been.  The new assigner has close to 300 officials on his staff.  He assigns several leagues including D1 and D2 leagues.  I like not having to see the same official four or five times during the season. 

To protect myself, I will also have to say after two or three years I will probably get tired of seeing these guys also.

If you were to grade the MIAA officials this year, what grade would you give them?

[KnightSlappy]

Efficiency Numbers for in-league games:

Team	OEff	DEff	Eff. Margin	xW	xL
Hope	111.1	87.4	23.7	13.0	1.0
Trine	107.0	84.8	22.2	12.7	1.3
Adrian	96.6	88.6	8.0	9.0	5.0
Calvin	94.7	91.3	3.4	7.9	6.1
Albion	97.7	102.8	-5.1	5.7	8.3
Alma	97.4	110.8	-13.3	3.6	10.4
Kalamazoo	92.7	106.3	-13.5	3.6	10.4
Olivet	95.0	118.1	-23.1	1.1	12.9

Trine's numbers are probably skewed a bit high as they've yet to play Calvin or Hope. Adrian's numbers are probably skewed low as they've yet to play Olivet or Kalamazoo.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

I would assume that at this point, even if Calvin wins the rest of its regular season games and the first round of the MIAA tourney, only to lose in the championship game, they would still not receive a Pool C bid.  If that's true, then the rest of the season boils down to only two things: achieving at least 4th place in the MIAA and winning the league tournament. 

I'd be curious if the same is true for all the MIAA's non-Hope teams, or if Trine or somebody still has a reasonable shot at a Pool C bid.

[KnightSlappy]

I would assume that at this point, even if Calvin wins the rest of its regular season games and the first round of the MIAA tourney, only to lose in the championship game, they would still not receive a Pool C bid.  If that's true, then the rest of the season boils down to only two things: achieving at least 4th place in the MIAA and winning the league tournament. 

I'd be curious if the same is true for all the MIAA's non-Hope teams, or if Trine or somebody still has a reasonable shot at a Pool C bid.

If Calvin wins out but loses the MIAA championship game, they'd still have a realistic and/or reasonable shot at Pool C. It would come down to how their SOS looks, but we'd definitely all be watching the selection show. They'd be about a .722 in region winning percentage with an SOS above .500. Just looking back at last year, 3 teams made it with similar numbers, and 3 teams missed with similar numbers (roughly speaking).

[DewCrewVett]

I would assume that at this point, even if Calvin wins the rest of its regular season games and the first round of the MIAA tourney, only to lose in the championship game, they would still not receive a Pool C bid.  If that's true, then the rest of the season boils down to only two things: achieving at least 4th place in the MIAA and winning the league tournament. 

I'd be curious if the same is true for all the MIAA's non-Hope teams, or if Trine or somebody still has a reasonable shot at a Pool C bid.

If Calvin wins out but loses the MIAA championship game, they'd still have a realistic and/or reasonable shot at Pool C. It would come down to how their SOS looks, but we'd definitely all be watching the selection show. They'd be about a .722 in region winning percentage with an SOS above .500.
Just looking back at last year, 3 teams made it with similar numbers, and 3 teams missed with similar numbers (roughly speaking).

Hate to be the bearer of "bad news" but it is very un-reasonable to believe Calvin will win out in the MIAA with their current 2-3 MIAA record.

Make no mistake Calvin's only shot is to win the MIAA tournament championship, something they havent been able to do in quite some time.

[KnightSlappy]

Hate to be the bearer of "bad news" but it is very un-reasonable to believe Calvin will win out in the MIAA with their current 2-3 MIAA record.

[wiz]

1.  We will continue this recent trend of success over Calvin

Like getting outscored by 3 in last year's three game series (two at DeVos)?

Actually, now that I look back, Hope is 5-2 in the last seven meetings (the last two years), but Calvin's actually outscored them by 2. Of course, I'd rather take the 5-2, but the "whoa is me, Hope has dominated" (realist) approach to life is off base.

After last night Hope is 6-2 in the last 8 games.  That equals Hope winning 75% of the time.
Over the last decade Hope is something like 18-12 in 30 games or about 60%.
The real point is the performance trend line is going down, not staying even let alone improving. To me that is cause for alarm not a time to bury one's head in the sand.
We can split hairs if you like, but if Ford Motor company sold 60 or 75% of the cars in the U. S. pundits might use the wording "Ford dominates car sales".  If Mc Donald sold 60 or 75% of all the hamburgers in the U.S. one might say they "dominate".
The results are what the results are.

Hey, realist, nice to see you back on the board again.  Nothing like a loss to Hope to get you posting again.

I've noticed over the years that when teams lose it is the coach's fault.  When teams win, it is the players.  Whatever the case, one still has to work with what one has.  So, let's have some fun and pose a question.  If KVS and MN switched seats last night with Kevin coaching the Dutch players and Matt coaching the Knights, which team would have won the game? 

[KnightSlappy]

Where have you gone Billy Seiler? The jumper has vanished, and his confidence shooting has clearly crumbled. He wasn't even close on his two free throw attempts. 

Interesting that he started both halves, but never came back off the bench after sitting down.