MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[wiz]

And then of course there are the ones who transferred to Rowen in the mid-90's... 

That's a whole different 'kettle of fish' than Greg was discussing - and led immediately to the 'Rowan rule'.

Immediately was too late for some of us...   

...but not all of us.

[Busted Stuff]

Whitby should be playing for Calvin, he grew up a stone's throw away from campus!  Is it appropriate to say that Adrian has made a conscious effort to recruit a "different type" student athlete, who can enhance their program and school?  D1 transfers, community college attendee's, second chance athletes?   Each athlete has their own story but the trend is becoming relatively clear.

Maybe KVS should head down to GRCC and look at guards Jared M, Wayland legend Alex Lyle, and EK grad Jimmy Carrol among others? Or simply wait for Hammer to discard players that can't cut it in their program and scoop them up?

Out of curiousity, how active is KVS in the local AAU circuit??  He doesn't seem like the type to thrive in that setting but he could/should send his former and current players out to make connections.  Neil has a huge advantage here because his two sons have spent the last several years on the AAU circuit- plenty of time to rub shoulders with players, parents, coaches....WM Lakers connection is strong!

I don't think it's fair to insinuate that KVS is opposed to looking at bringing in transfer players to the Calvin program.

Dan Aultman, Ricky Shilts, Derek Griffin, Trent Salo, Brad Schnyders, Paul Campbell, and Mickey DeVries were all transfer students.

Maybe that's not a ton of players for a seven or eight year span, but it's not insignificant.

Dustin Smith as well, albeit early in his career.

[Knight2Day]

Whitby should be playing for Calvin, he grew up a stone's throw away from campus!  Is it appropriate to say that Adrian has made a conscious effort to recruit a "different type" student athlete, who can enhance their program and school?  D1 transfers, community college attendee's, second chance athletes?   Each athlete has their own story but the trend is becoming relatively clear.

Maybe KVS should head down to GRCC and look at guards Jared M, Wayland legend Alex Lyle, and EK grad Jimmy Carrol among others? Or simply wait for Hammer to discard players that can't cut it in their program and scoop them up?

Out of curiousity, how active is KVS in the local AAU circuit??  He doesn't seem like the type to thrive in that setting but he could/should send his former and current players out to make connections.  Neil has a huge advantage here because his two sons have spent the last several years on the AAU circuit- plenty of time to rub shoulders with players, parents, coaches....WM Lakers connection is strong!

I don't think it's fair to insinuate that KVS is opposed to looking at bringing in transfer players to the Calvin program.

Dan Aultman, Ricky Shilts, Derek Griffin, Trent Salo, Brad Schnyders, Paul Campbell, and Mickey DeVries were all transfer students.

Maybe that's not a ton of players for a seven or eight year span, but it's not insignificant.

Dustin Smith as well, albeit early in his career.

With the exception of maybe Derek Griffin and Dan Aultman, KVS didn't go out and talk to any of them. From the best of my knowledge they came from Calvin because of its reputation and/or other connections to the school. (i.e. Paul Campbell's father is an assistant track coach, Brad Schnyder's is a Unity grad and was very close with Matt Capel and Jake Morren who played JV etc...)

[wiz]

Whitby should be playing for Calvin, he grew up a stone's throw away from campus!  Is it appropriate to say that Adrian has made a conscious effort to recruit a "different type" student athlete, who can enhance their program and school?  D1 transfers, community college attendee's, second chance athletes?   Each athlete has their own story but the trend is becoming relatively clear.

Maybe KVS should head down to GRCC and look at guards Jared M, Wayland legend Alex Lyle, and EK grad Jimmy Carrol among others? Or simply wait for Hammer to discard players that can't cut it in their program and scoop them up?

Out of curiousity, how active is KVS in the local AAU circuit??  He doesn't seem like the type to thrive in that setting but he could/should send his former and current players out to make connections.  Neil has a huge advantage here because his two sons have spent the last several years on the AAU circuit- plenty of time to rub shoulders with players, parents, coaches....WM Lakers connection is strong!

I don't think it's fair to insinuate that KVS is opposed to looking at bringing in transfer players to the Calvin program.

Dan Aultman, Ricky Shilts, Derek Griffin, Trent Salo, Brad Schnyders, Paul Campbell, and Mickey DeVries were all transfer students.

Maybe that's not a ton of players for a seven or eight year span, but it's not insignificant.

Dustin Smith as well, albeit early in his career.

With the exception of maybe Derek Griffin and Dan Aultman, KVS didn't go out and talk to any of them. From the best of my knowledge they came from Calvin because of its reputation and/or other connections to the school. (i.e. Paul Campbell's father is an assistant track coach, Brad Schnyder's is a Unity grad and was very close with Matt Capel and Jake Morren who played JV etc...)

Strange conversation.  If he can't coach anyway, why does he need to recruit?  Pretty lucky guy to have 300 wins and a national title.  Some people get all the breaks.

[Knight2Day]

Whitby should be playing for Calvin, he grew up a stone's throw away from campus!  Is it appropriate to say that Adrian has made a conscious effort to recruit a "different type" student athlete, who can enhance their program and school?  D1 transfers, community college attendee's, second chance athletes?   Each athlete has their own story but the trend is becoming relatively clear.

Maybe KVS should head down to GRCC and look at guards Jared M, Wayland legend Alex Lyle, and EK grad Jimmy Carrol among others? Or simply wait for Hammer to discard players that can't cut it in their program and scoop them up?

Out of curiousity, how active is KVS in the local AAU circuit??  He doesn't seem like the type to thrive in that setting but he could/should send his former and current players out to make connections.  Neil has a huge advantage here because his two sons have spent the last several years on the AAU circuit- plenty of time to rub shoulders with players, parents, coaches....WM Lakers connection is strong!

I don't think it's fair to insinuate that KVS is opposed to looking at bringing in transfer players to the Calvin program.

Dan Aultman, Ricky Shilts, Derek Griffin, Trent Salo, Brad Schnyders, Paul Campbell, and Mickey DeVries were all transfer students.

Maybe that's not a ton of players for a seven or eight year span, but it's not insignificant.

Dustin Smith as well, albeit early in his career.

With the exception of maybe Derek Griffin and Dan Aultman, KVS didn't go out and talk to any of them. From the best of my knowledge they came from Calvin because of its reputation and/or other connections to the school. (i.e. Paul Campbell's father is an assistant track coach, Brad Schnyder's is a Unity grad and was very close with Matt Capel and Jake Morren who played JV etc...)

Strange conversation.  If he can't coach anyway, why does he need to recruit?  Pretty lucky guy to have 300 wins and a national title.  Some people get all the breaks.

My thoughts exactly wiz. I'm happy you're finally catching on.

[almcguirejr]

I don't think it's fair to insinuate that KVS is opposed to looking at bringing in transfer players to the Calvin program.

Dan Aultman, Ricky Shilts, Derek Griffin, Trent Salo, Brad Schnyders, Paul Campbell, and Mickey DeVries were all transfer students.

Maybe that's not a ton of players for a seven or eight year span, but it's not insignificant.

Kyle Snoeyink was also a transfer from CC.

[wiz]

I don't think it's fair to insinuate that KVS is opposed to looking at bringing in transfer players to the Calvin program.

Dan Aultman, Ricky Shilts, Derek Griffin, Trent Salo, Brad Schnyders, Paul Campbell, and Mickey DeVries were all transfer students.

Maybe that's not a ton of players for a seven or eight year span, but it's not insignificant.

Kyle Snoeyink was also a transfer from CC.

Even more luck. 

[scottiedawg]

#1 Middlebury has lost.

[HopeConvert]

Turnovers and points off turnovers the story of the game.

Middlebury                              Keene State
49.1% (26-53)    Field Goal %    42.3% (30-71)
69.2% (9-13)    3pt Field Goal %  36.4% (4-11)
88.2% (15-17)    Free Throw %     50.0% (13-26)
37                    Rebounds           38
10                    Assists               9
22                    Turnovers          13
10                    Pts off Turnovers 30
9                    2nd Chance Pts    22
11                   Bench Pts           29
10                   Largest Lead   8

[dutchwatcher]

Just as big was the offensive rebound difference of 21-10.  Very difficult to win with that large of a difference in a close game.

[HopeConvert]

Just as big was the offensive rebound difference of 21-10.  Very difficult to win with that large of a difference in a close game.

So it would seem; although, conversely, they were outrebounded on the defensive end, for overall rebounds were roughly equal. But you're mentioning this makes me curious about the relative value of offensive rebounds vs. defensive rebounds. Keene State took 18 more shots than Middlebury, so maybe an offensive board leads to more shots (even accounting for the turnover differential), but I've never looked at that, and logically that doesn't make sense. So I'm wondering if KS or anyone else has thought about the relative value of offensive vs. defensive rebounds.

[HopeConvert]

Was just looking at KS's regional rankings for today. A couple of things caught my attention:

• Adrian is up to 8th in the GL region.
• He has Hope curently at #2 nationally, Va Wesleyan at #16.
• I didn't see Augustana listed anywhere, which surprised me.
• The NCAC is pretty loaded in the GL region. I have to say, I'd be interested in seeing a Hope/Wooster matchup.

[scottiedawg]

The NCAC teams have been beating each other up all year. I would imagine the ones that come out on top will be pretty battle tested.

[sac]

Was just looking at KS's regional rankings for today. A couple of things caught my attention:

• Adrian is up to 8th in the GL region.
• He has Hope curently at #2 nationally, Va Wesleyan at #16.
• I didn't see Augustana listed anywhere, which surprised me.
• The NCAC is pretty loaded in the GL region. I have to say, I'd be interested in seeing a Hope/Wooster matchup.

Augustana has 4 in-region losses, so they're probably just outside KS' rankings.  Luke Scarlatta their 6-9 C decided not to play basketball after Christmas.  Augustana dropped 3 in a row after beating lowly Millikin to start the CCIW season.  They have since appeared to rite the ship including a thumping win over Wheaton last week and an OT win over IWU tonight.  They are still a dangerous foe, but they have a slim margin of error to make the tournament as an at large.

[KnightSlappy]

Was just looking at KS's regional rankings for today. A couple of things caught my attention:

• Adrian is up to 8th in the GL region.
• He has Hope curently at #2 nationally, Va Wesleyan at #16.
• I didn't see Augustana listed anywhere, which surprised me.
• The NCAC is pretty loaded in the GL region. I have to say, I'd be interested in seeing a Hope/Wooster matchup.

To be clear, this is #2 nationally based pretty much all on in-region criteria. Wouldn't be the same as #2 and #15 in a top 25 poll. It does indicate, however, that if all the teams were thrown into an at-large pot, Hope would be picked closer to 2nd and Va Wes would be picked closer to 15th.

Point is, Hope's fairly safe for Pool C should they stumble in the MIAA tourney.

Here are some scenarios in which the MIAA gets multiple teams in the NCAAs:
http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2012/02/miaa-is-one-bid-league-unless.html