MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

As I watched the live stats for the game last night the number that kept jumping out at me (other than the atrocious shooting by everyone playing except Krombeen) was the fact Adrian had 28!!! offensive boards and only 17 on defense.

That's an incredible number to me. (Hope gave up 27 offensive rebounds to WMU).

Anyone that saw the game have thoughts? It's a one time thing but if Adrian doesn't have it's worst shooting night of the year total and from beyond the arc this game may have ended differently.

Well, I was pretty unsure of those rebounding totals when I heard them last night.  They simply don't add up.  Adrian missed 50 shots, is credited with 28 offensive rebounds, Hope 27 defensive rebounds.......that's 55 rebounds on 50 missed shots  .   I'd say the scorers table is a little generous in counting some tips as rebounds.  Adrian does an excellent job of keeping rebounds alive.

Watching it live, I really didn't think the shooting was as terrible as the final boxscore shows, and again I think the scorers were probably generous in calling some of those tips, shots.

[KnightSlappy]

What's left

Adrian:   TRINE, @Olivet, ALMA, KZOO, @Albion
Albion:   HOPE, @Trine, @Kzoo, @Alma, ADRIAN
Alma:    OLIVET, @Calvin, @Adrian, ALBION, KZOO
Calvin:   @Kzoo, ALMA, HOPE, @Trine, @Olivet
Hope:   @Albion, KZOO, @Calvin, @Olivet, TRINE
Kzoo:    CALVIN, @Hope, ALBION, @Adrian, @Alma
Olivet:   @Alma, ADRIAN, @Trine, HOPE, CALVIN
Trine:    @Adrian, ALBION, OLIVET, CALVIN, @Hope

Hope clinches a spot in the MIAA tournament with a win, Olivet eliminated with a loss and wins by Calvin and Trine

I believe Hope has already clinched, because they will own any tiebreakers with Calvin, Albion, or Trine.

I could be wrong but I believe the only way to know that at this point in time would be to know that results against Adrian would be the deciding tie-breaker. Since we don't know that, Hope hasn't officially clinched.

Hope has beaten Adrian twice, while Calvin, Trine, and Albion have all lost to them. Meaning Hope has the tiebreaker correct? I tried to figure out a way if say Trine or Calvin ran the table and finished in first, but I haven't found a scenario. yet.

In order for Hope to be pushed out, Albion would presumably have to be bumped in (Kzoo, Alma, and Olivet are all eliminated from passing Hope). But for Albion to even tie Hope, they'd have to win out (and Hope lose out).

If Albion won out, it would mean Trine would suffer at least one more loss (vs. Albion), which would mean the best they could do was tie Hope as well (at 9-5).

If Trine were to reach 9-5 (assuming a loss to Albion, which would be needed for the Brits to tie Hope), then they would have to beat Calvin, who would then also be capped at 9-5. Adrian would also be at 9-5 (maximum) due to losses versus Trine and Albion.

So, the only way to have a "Hope is out" discussion is with five teams at 9-5. If this were the case, the first tiebreaker would (probably) be record versus tied teams. Calvin would be the odd team out here at 3-5.

So, I don't think Hope can actually miss the tournament.

[sac]

So, I don't think Hope can actually miss the tournament.

Whew!!!   I was worried.


Officially the only thing official is Olivet, Alma and Kzoo have been eliminated from winning the MIAA Championship, Albion can only tie.  Everyone is still alive for the MIAA's  half-tournament.   Realistically alive is probably another discussion.

[ziggy]

So, I don't think Hope can actually miss the tournament.

Whew!!!   I was worried.


Officially the only thing official is Olivet, Alma and Kzoo have been eliminated from winning the MIAA Championship, Albion can only tie.  Everyone is still alive for the MIAA's  half-tournament.   Realistically alive is probably another discussion.

Yeah, the only scenario I was coming up with was to have Albion and Hope finished tied for fourth with Kalamazoo ahead of Adrian in the final standings. Sounds like this scenario is not possible based on the remaining schedule so Hope has clinched a spot in the MIAA tourney.

[realist]

So, I don't think Hope can actually miss the tournament.

Whew!!!   I was worried.


Officially the only thing official is Olivet, Alma and Kzoo have been eliminated from winning the MIAA Championship, Albion can only tie.  Everyone is still alive for the MIAA's  half-tournament.   Realistically alive is probably another discussion.

Realistically I put "Hope wins the title", in ink,  before the first conference game.  The only real drama is seeing if they can match the Knights from 00, and run the table 14-0. 

[Stinger]

Any thoughts on the new mlive.com?  I find it very disappointing. I'm not sure how they actually made the look and feel of that website worse.  It's unfortunate as it is the only site (I won't read Lee, et. al.) that has coverage of small college Michigan sports.

[AlwaysHope]

So, I don't think Hope can actually miss the tournament.

Whew!!!   I was worried.


Officially the only thing official is Olivet, Alma and Kzoo have been eliminated from winning the MIAA Championship, Albion can only tie.  Everyone is still alive for the MIAA's  half-tournament.   Realistically alive is probably another discussion.

Excellent choice of words. Realistically I put "Hope wins the title", in ink,  before the first conference game.  The only real drama is seeing if they can match the Knights from 00, and run the table 14-0.

That season included a 2 point win over Hope in overtime.

[realist]

So, I don't think Hope can actually miss the tournament.

Whew!!!   I was worried.


Officially the only thing official is Olivet, Alma and Kzoo have been eliminated from winning the MIAA Championship, Albion can only tie.  Everyone is still alive for the MIAA's  half-tournament.   Realistically alive is probably another discussion.

Excellent choice of words. Realistically I put "Hope wins the title", in ink,  before the first conference game.  The only real drama is seeing if they can match the Knights from 00, and run the table 14-0.

That season included a 2 point win over Hope in overtime.

Yes, I remember it well.  I didn't say it would be easy, and 14-0 requires some degree of luck.
I think Hope could be beaten, but it is going to take a team playing 40 minutes of flawless ball, and having some luck to do it.  Something like the shot Winkle made to get to o.t.

[Adrian Hoops Fan]

As I watched the live stats for the game last night the number that kept jumping out at me (other than the atrocious shooting by everyone playing except Krombeen) was the fact Adrian had 28!!! offensive boards and only 17 on defense.

That's an incredible number to me. (Hope gave up 27 offensive rebounds to WMU).

Anyone that saw the game have thoughts? It's a one time thing but if Adrian doesn't have it's worst shooting night of the year total and from beyond the arc this game may have ended differently.

Well, I was pretty unsure of those rebounding totals when I heard them last night.  They simply don't add up.  Adrian missed 50 shots, is credited with 28 offensive rebounds, Hope 27 defensive rebounds.......that's 55 rebounds on 50 missed shots  .   I'd say the scorers table is a little generous in counting some tips as rebounds.  Adrian does an excellent job of keeping rebounds alive.

Watching it live, I really didn't think the shooting was as terrible as the final boxscore shows, and again I think the scorers were probably generous in calling some of those tips, shots.

Many of those extra rebounds that speaking of came off of the numerous missed opportunities at the charity stripe for AC.  Hope's size made it tough for Adrian's offense.  AC spent much of the nite trying to make the the 3 point play when attacking the rim and would adjust in the air which caused them to miss and when trying to do that, not many officials will bail them out.  Hope is very good and is as complete of a team in D3 as I have seen in a while.  I am just hoping that if AC gets another chance at them that the 3rd time will be the charm.  A Hope loss in MIAA tourney is the only chance of 2 MIAA teams in the NCAA's

[Adrian Hoops Fan]

Play of the night In the Hope game last night goes to Adrain's Collins.  At the 12 minute mark of the first half there was a series of turnovers which resulted in Collins getting coming up with the ball.  He then decided decided to throw up a guarded fade away 35 foot prayer with 33 seconds left in the shot clock.  Had ESPN been there, we would being seeing that on the not top ten tomorrow

This play was at a critical point in the second half.  There was a change of possession but the scores table did not reset shot clock.  The ball was heaved from half court and as the ball was in flight the shot clock was reset.  Definitely an odd sequence of events here, especially when Hope got the rebound and went down and hit a 3.

[sac]

Any thoughts on the new mlive.com?  I find it very disappointing. I'm not sure how they actually made the look and feel of that website worse.  It's unfortunate as it is the only site (I won't read Lee, et. al.) that has coverage of small college Michigan sports.

It looks like it was created in 1997.

[goodknight]

Any thoughts on the new mlive.com?  I find it very disappointing. I'm not sure how they actually made the look and feel of that website worse.  It's unfortunate as it is the only site (I won't read Lee, et. al.) that has coverage of small college Michigan sports.

Other than the crappy yellow tint to it, it seems the same dismal site.

[HopeConvert]

Any thoughts on the new mlive.com?  I find it very disappointing. I'm not sure how they actually made the look and feel of that website worse.  It's unfortunate as it is the only site (I won't read Lee, et. al.) that has coverage of small college Michigan sports.

Other than the crappy yellow tint to it, it seems the same dismal site.

I was going to say that I never particularly liked it to begin with, so I can't regard this as a downgrade. At this point, it's just different. Ask me a month from now.

[GoKnights68]

Any thoughts on the new mlive.com?  I find it very disappointing. I'm not sure how they actually made the look and feel of that website worse.  It's unfortunate as it is the only site (I won't read Lee, et. al.) that has coverage of small college Michigan sports.

It looks like it was created in 1997.

They updated the format and background of their forums about a year in a half ago also and not one person liked it then and pretty much nobody likes it now.  Seems to be their web designers and management do not care about user/customer opinions.

[Pat Coleman]

Any thoughts on the new mlive.com?  I find it very disappointing. I'm not sure how they actually made the look and feel of that website worse.  It's unfortunate as it is the only site (I won't read Lee, et. al.) that has coverage of small college Michigan sports.

It looks like it was created in 1997.

I know a site that was created in 1997.