MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[HopeConvert]

Hope loses two votes in the latest Top 25 Poll with Amherst picking them up. I know one Hope poster who thinks Amherst is the team to beat, but augie-fan on his fine website is picking UWW to beat Hope in the final.

[Knight2Day]

Hope loses two votes in the latest Top 25 Poll with Amherst picking them up. I know one Hope poster who thinks Amherst is the team to beat, but augie-fan on his fine website is picking UWW to beat Hope in the final.

I wouldn't overlook UWSP. Had 4 on the All-WIAC team (probably one of the tougher conferences in the country and definitely have the size the match up with NVA and co.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Hope loses two votes in the latest Top 25 Poll with Amherst picking them up. I know one Hope poster who thinks Amherst is the team to beat, but augie-fan on his fine website is picking UWW to beat Hope in the final.

I wouldn't overlook UWSP. Had 4 on the All-WIAC team (probably one of the tougher conferences in the country and definitely have the size the match up with NVA and co.

I wouldn't overlook them either, nor Westminster, nor IWU - but to be precise, UWSP has 2 guys on the WIAC All conf 1st team; the Tillema brothers - and one of them (Tyler the JR, and UWSP leading scorer) is out for the rest of the season.  They also have one guy on the Honorable mention list, and one on the All-Sportsmanship team.    Personally I think IWU takes UWSP  in the first game, but it should be a real barn burner

[realist]

Hard to imagine that realist is a diehard fan of the Chicago Cubs.

Not difficult for me to imagine.  Since the Cubs haven't won the world series since 1908, they have used realist's philosophy of changing managers until they return to glory.  Unfortunately, some fifty-six managers later, it hasn't done much good.

You don't know me.   I thought you were just trying to be clever, and smug, etc. but I now realize you just don't get it.   The last team I would be a fan of is a perennail loser.!!!  Like the Cubs.
You don't help your argument by choosing as your represeentative team with frequesnt mgr, changes a team that is a loser.  If you want to make the case why don't you compare the present Calvin situation with a winning program at any level.  Like:  the Tigers, or the Yankees.  Perhaps the Packers or several other teams are better examples. 
The point is if a team isn't winning you need to look at all the component parts.  The players, the facilities, the coaching, and management etc.  I look at the last 5 years as a series of lost/missed opportunities.  I think Calvin has had some gifted young men that never had the opportunity to show us what they could really do with proper instruction and guidance.
I like winners, and I don't think that makes me exceptional or in any manner unusual (not even a giirl ).  I am willing to give KVS one more year (against my better judgement) to prove he still has what it takes to put a winning team on the VNA floor.  I really hope he does just that, but I am not holding my breath.  If he/Calvin goes 5-6 in the pre-confernce part of the season next year.........................are you going to be happy, and so defensive? 
 

[almcguirejr]

I am glad that you are willing to give him next year.  I would urge you to get behind him and the whole team and give them your full support for the entire year.

[Knight2Day]

Hope loses two votes in the latest Top 25 Poll with Amherst picking them up. I know one Hope poster who thinks Amherst is the team to beat, but augie-fan on his fine website is picking UWW to beat Hope in the final.

I wouldn't overlook UWSP. Had 4 on the All-WIAC team (probably one of the tougher conferences in the country and definitely have the size the match up with NVA and co.

I wouldn't overlook them either, nor Westminster, nor IWU - but to be precise, UWSP has 2 guys on the WIAC All conf 1st team; the Tillema brothers - and one of them (Tyler the JR, and UWSP leading scorer) is out for the rest of the season.  They also have one guy on the Honorable mention list, and one on the All-Sportsmanship team.    Personally I think IWU takes UWSP  in the first game, but it should be a real barn burner

I stand corrected. It does look like Hope has a great chance to get the first round W against Westminster (especially if they have a healthy NVA) and to get their legs under them early in the tourny

[KnightSlappy]

Hard to imagine that realist is a diehard fan of the Chicago Cubs.

Not difficult for me to imagine.  Since the Cubs haven't won the world series since 1908, they have used realist's philosophy of changing managers until they return to glory.  Unfortunately, some fifty-six managers later, it hasn't done much good.

You don't know me.  I thought you were just trying to be clever, and smug, etc. but I now realize you just don't get it.   The last team I would be a fan of is a perrennail loser.!!!  Like the Cubs.
You don't help your argument by choosing as your represeentative team with frequesnt mgr, changes a team that is a loser.  If you want to make the case why don't you compare the present Calvin situation with a winning program at any level.  Like:  the Tigers, or the Yankees.  Perhaps the Packers or several other teams are better examples. 
The point is if a team isn't winning you need to look at all the component parts.  The players, the facilities, the coaching, and management etc.  I look at the last 5 years as a series of lost/missed opportunities.  I think Calvin has had some gifted young men that never had the opportunity to show us what they could really do with proper instruction and guidance.
I like winners, and I don't think that makes me exceptional or in any manner unusual (not even a giirl ).  I am willing to give KVS one more year (against my better judgement) to prove he still has what it takes to put a winning team on the VNA floor.  I really hope he does just that, but I am not holding my breath.  If he/Calvin goes 5-6 in the pre-confernce part of the season next year.........................are you going to be happy, and so defensive? 

The Tigers were 81-81 in 2010.

[realist]

I am glad that you are willing to give him next year.  I would urge you to get behind him and the whole team and give them your full support for the entire year.

Thanks, but no thanks.  I have fallen for the ole' getting all the guys "into" the magical/super complicated KVS game plan in the past.  I don't need another helping of that crap.     He (KVS) now has an experienced team which has had 1, 2, or 3 seasons to learn at the feet of the "grand master".  If they don't know, or haven't learned it yet shame on them, and shame on him.  It really is "put up or shut up time"!!!
I am not the math wiz that some posters may be, but I am smart enough to know that 5-5 or 5-6 pre-conference performances do not lead to either 20 win seasons or NCAA bids. 
You can give him "the entire year", if you like, but I won't need that long to determine if KVS is everything is all his family members think he is.l

[sac]

Has anybody seen my genever, it seems to be missing. 

[goodknight]

Has anybody seen my genever, it seems to be missing. 

Don't worry. I have it for "safe keeping."  It's in the freezer.   

[ziggy]

I am glad that you are willing to give him next year.  I would urge you to get behind him and the whole team and give them your full support for the entire year.

Thanks, but no thanks.  I have fallen for the ole' getting all the guys "into" the magical/super complicated KVS game plan in the past.  I don't need another helping of that crap.     He (KVS) now has an experienced team which has had 1, 2, or 3 seasons to learn at the feet of the "grand master".  If they don't know, or haven't learned it yet shame on them, and shame on him.  It really is "put up or shut up time"!!!
I am not the math wiz that some posters may be, but I am smart enough to know that 5-5 or 5-6 pre-conference performances do not lead to either 20 win seasons or NCAA bids. 
You can give him "the entire year", if you like, but I won't need that long to determine if KVS is everything is all his family members think he is.l

Let's take a hypothetical:
Losses to Aquinas, Cornerstone, Davenport, Trinity Christian and Davenport
Wins against DePauw, Ohio Wesleyan, Finlandia, Anderson and Baldwin-Wallace

That's a 5-5 pre-conference record that would have Calvin simply needing to take care of business in the MIAA to earn an NCAA bid.

[monsoon]

Are YOU heading East this weekend?

Of course!  I've entrusted FDF/CM with the task of getting me a ticket, and I know I am in capable hands.

And with an assist from gohope, I'm now set as far as tickets are concerned.

[Gregory Sager]

Hope loses two votes in the latest Top 25 Poll with Amherst picking them up. I know one Hope poster who thinks Amherst is the team to beat, but augie-fan on his fine website is picking UWW to beat Hope in the final.

I wouldn't overlook UWSP. Had 4 on the All-WIAC team (probably one of the tougher conferences in the country and definitely have the size the match up with NVA and co.

FDF's corrections to this post aside, you're under a misapprehension if you think that UWSP has size. Apart from center Jordan Brezinski (6'8, 240), the next biggest members of the Pointers rotation are Alex Richard (6'4, 210), Trevor Hass (6'4, 190), and Joe Ritchay (6'3, 210). That's not "size" as I understand it in D3 terms.

In fact, the one time that I saw UWSP online this year -- the game at Augustana -- the Pointers got eaten up by Augie's size. Both NVA and Snuggerud would have size advantages, as would Holwerda when both teams sub out their starting centers. The perimeter players of the Dutch and the Pointers are all generally about the same height and weight.

[Gregory Sager]

Nothing that next years team will accomplish, for me at least, will remove the bad taste left in my mouth from the past 5 squandered years.

This almost makes me want to root for Calvin to win the national championship in March 2013, just so that I could see realist try to backpedal from this statement.

(Hope fans, please note that I said "almost". )

Nothing in the future is going to change the past 5 years.

You mean to tell me that if Calvin wins the national championship next year, the last five years aren't going to just go "poof!" for you like some forgotten puff of smoke? You're actually going to sulk while the Knights cut down the nets in the Salem Civic Center, because the previous five seasons cut such an indelible mark upon your soul that no amount of Walnut and Bronze could make it go away?

Wow.

You and I are very, very different people, realist. I have endured eighteen years now in which North Park has had mostly lousy basketball teams that only occasionally surface to the level of mediocrity. Not good, mind you, mediocre. Over the past eighteen years NPU basketball has become a mismanaged, erratic, and disheartening program afflicted by a loser mentality, dwindling fan interest, and a glorious past that, even as it recedes into the distance of time, has become an albatross around the neck of the Vikings. Eighteen years of bad basketball, made even worse for me personally because I was there when the Park was cutting down the nets. I was there when the Park was turning out NBA draft picks and All-Americans and NCAA-record home winning streaks. I was there when we were the team everybody in the nation feared.

Do you know what would happen to those eighteen miserable years in my eyes if NPU was to win the national championship in March, 2013? Poof. Gone. Vanished. Forgotten in an instant.

Let's take a poll. How many other Calvin fans who post here would still be ticked off about the past five seasons if Calvin was to win it all in Salem in March, 2013?

[goodknight]

If Calvin were to win a national championship next year, well, the last five years would be cast into the ocean of forgetfulness.

And, by the way, I'm rooting for NPU to return to its former glory, too.  I well remember the night at the Cracker Box in 1992 when Calvin suffered its only defeat on the way to its first banner.