MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[HopeConvert]

Something I always told my kids......."win or lose, act like you've been there before".

Maybe defeating the #1 team in the nation, on their home floor, in an amazing setting after an epic battle...warrants a little celebration?  I would not have cut them down myself but who am I to judge.  Did their fans cheer "this is our house"?  This would actually piss me off more

They did, and that got significantly under my skin more than did the nets. It also got significantly under the skin of one of Hope's players.

[sac]

Something I always told my kids......."win or lose, act like you've been there before".

Maybe defeating the #1 team in the nation, on their home floor, in an amazing setting after an epic battle...warrants a little celebration?  I would not have cut them down myself but who am I to judge.  Did their fans cheer "this is our house"?  This would actually piss me off more

They did, and that got significantly under my skin more than did the nets. It also got significantly under the skin of one of Hope's players.

That has never been my favorite Dew Crew cheer, but I guess it goes back to the beginning of the Dew Crew 16/17 years ago at the Civic Center.  It opens yourself up to those kinds of moments, I think if that was the ugliest fan moment of the game, we should probably feel pretty good.

I only objected to the ferocity of the dude who seemed to be leading the cheer, he seemed like such a nice guy the day before.

[formerd3db]

Good posts all regarding some final thoughts re: IWU/Hope.  As to the net cutting in the first round, I don't look negative at IWU for that as the game obviously meant significantly more than to them for several reasons as was mentioned by some of you posters, however, personally, were I the coach, I would not do it for this first round (or for that matter, not until winning the Final Four championship game or your own conference title game, etc., but that is just my own opinion/feelings about such ceremony)

newcardfan:
Thanks for your very kind and generous comments regarding me, however, you cut yourself too short.  Your own postings are well thought out and diplomatic.  I would also add that there are many posters here who do the same and that makes up for the very few who sometimes shall we say...become somewhat overzealous in their comments or...simply "cross the line".  Some simply don't care about the latter, which is sad to say, although, again, those are few and the majority of posters here and on the fb boards make it enjoyable to banter even when we might have differing opinions.

sac:
Great posts as always.  I have one question and please you and the others forgive my "stupidity" for not knowing this and asking.  However, I do not understand that rating system you posted about the strength of teams that Hope played.  Obviously, the higher the number, the stronger the team, but how is that calculated i.e. what does the negative numbers mean and what is the margin of strength.  By the latter I mean Western Michigan was not that much higher than Wheaton; granted Western was not that great of a DI team this year at all.  Also, the scholarship NAIA teams did not rank much higher than some of the DIII opponents; I'm assuming that might be because those NAIA teams were not as good as they have been in past years (or as good as they should be simply because they are scholarship programs).  Anyway, just curious.  Thanks.

[hoopdreams]

I've never liked it for some reason ( regardless on what side I'm on) but it's a student section staple.  Anyone with an ounce of pride takes it personally, especially after a devestating, season ending loss.  With the FatHead phase (love them) Blue and Orange men, Interlude dance and everything else that goes on, maybe someone, sometime will decide to retire it?  Along with the "Carrie's better" chant? (still kinda like that one )

[AlwaysHope]

One other comment about Snuggs, who as noted previously scored 77 points this weekend.

But look at the rest of his stats.  He played 83 of the 90 minutes, shot only 39 times (made 30 out of 39) to get his 77 points, including 4 of 6 from downtown.

He also got 23 rebounds, and only picked up 3 fouls in those 83 minutes.  One rebound (on Sat.) away from picking up two double-doubles this weekend.

And, most important, the key number is three, the number of years at Hope, so he is coming back this fall!  Next year's MIAA MVP?

[ScotsFan]

Something I always told my kids......."win or lose, act like you've been there before".

Maybe defeating the #1 team in the nation, on their home floor, in an amazing setting after an epic battle...warrants a little celebration?  I would not have cut them down myself but who am I to judge.  Did their fans cheer "this is our house"?  This would actually piss me off more

They did, and that got significantly under my skin more than did the nets. It also got significantly under the skin of one of Hope's players.

Hopefully they didn't break out the always original 'over-rated' chant...

THAT is the one that always gets under my skin! 

[Mr. Ypsi]

WOW, what a game that was!  I concur with Coach Rose's statement (which I recognize as coachspeak, but I believe he was 100% sincere on this occasion) to the effect that there were no losers tonight, we just scored more points.

My thanks to the Hope community (and several posters in particular) for being such gracious hosts (and NO, that was not a snarky comment about the game result ); I will definitely come to the DeVos again!  (Judging from what the Titan women did in their first two games - winning both by an average of 40 points! - perhaps even in a couple of weeks!)

I thought I had stuck around long enough that there weren't going to be any post-game ceremonies, but apparently I left too early.  I was unaware until now of either the net-cutting or the Titan chant.  I don't really favor cutting the nets this early in the tourney, but it seems no big deal either way - you should perhaps take it as a compliment that beating the #1 ranked team on their own court was seen as more than just a second-round game.  As to the chant, I'm not sure I would have joined in (I confess I did quietly say to the guy next to me after the game, "Whose house is it now?"), but would agree with sac that the Dew Crew chant is just begging for that rejoinder if the visitors win.

I realize it is probably little consolation at this time, but never forget what a GREAT season you had.  You will still finish the season with 5 (or probably 6) fewer losses than the Titans.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Something I always told my kids......."win or lose, act like you've been there before".

Maybe defeating the #1 team in the nation, on their home floor, in an amazing setting after an epic battle...warrants a little celebration?  I would not have cut them down myself but who am I to judge.  Did their fans cheer "this is our house"?  This would actually piss me off more

They did, and that got significantly under my skin more than did the nets. It also got significantly under the skin of one of Hope's players.

Hopefully they didn't break out the always original 'over-rated' chant...

THAT is the one that always gets under my skin!

The "over-rated" chant is just plain stupid.  I think Titan fans are intelligent enough to recognize that you are just denigrating your OWN achievement if you chant that!

[sac]

I personally only heard the overrated cheer once this year and that was at Albion with Hope winning and about to seal up the win with FT's.  It was crazy.

[ScotsFan]

I personally only heard the overrated cheer once this year and that was at Albion with Hope winning and about to seal up the win with FT's.  It was crazy.

The chant is bad enough to do when your team is beating a highly ranked team, but to do it when your team is losing?  That's just plain stupid?!

[sac]

One other comment about Snuggs, who as noted previously scored 77 points this weekend.

But look at the rest of his stats.  He played 83 of the 90 minutes, shot only 39 times (made 30 out of 39) to get his 77 points, including 4 of 6 from downtown.

He also got 23 rebounds, and only picked up 3 fouls in those 83 minutes.  One rebound (on Sat.) away from picking up two double-doubles this weekend.

And, most important, the key number is three, the number of years at Hope, so he is coming back this fall!  Next year's MIAA MVP?

Not only all of that but Nate became Hope's season leader in 3 point shooting percentage.




Earlier this year someone made the comparison between Snuggerud and Washington University's Troy Ruths to me.  I'm not sure I quite buy that comparison, similar players but similarly different.

Ruth's Jr. year--  19.1 points, 7.9 rebs, 56.3% shooting  32 minutes per game
Snuggerud's Jr. year--   17.8 points, 7.1 rebs, 61.5% shooting  27 minutes per game.


The next year Ruth's scoring went up to 20.1 but his rebounding and % came down a little.    Ruth's also played on a pretty loaded Washington team that won a championship in Troy's Sr. year and then that core won it again the next year.  Ruth's would have had a ton more opportunities playing on a less talented team.  Snug's team is good, but its not WashU good.

Nate will be 'the man' next year, but its probably good to realize Hope's offense is probably going to look a lot different next year without Bunn and Krombeen.

[NW Hope Fan]

Is he positioned to receive pre-season AA consideration?

[pointlem]

Sac, that's a great comparison with Troy Ruths--I hadn't thought of that.  Having seen Ruths & WU beat Hope in a Final Four game, I think the comparison is apt--similar size and scoring touch.

Here's another stat comparison . . . fouls per minute of play this season by three of the MIAA's premier post players, and two other post players (one having some great moments this year, as did the other, who is a future premier post player, I'll wager):
Nate Snuggerud:    1 foul per 11.9 minutes of play
Tyler Kruis:            1 foul per 12.1 minutes of play
Carissa Verkaik:     1 foul per 14.2 minutes of play
Josh Holwerda:       1 foul per 6.6 minutes of play
Nate Van Arendonk:1 foul per 6.8 minutes of play

This makes me wonder:  what defines or enables the skill of defending without fouling . . . is it foot speed?  is it mental (attacking the ball rather than the body?). Surely, it can be learned, which would enable more playing time and all the contributions that come with such.  With NS, NVA, and JH all returning, Hope should be very strong in the post next year.

[Knight2Day]

So, now that the MIAA teams are all wrapped up....what's the word on recruiting? I haven't much around Calvin but I'd be interested to know if anyone has had their ear to the ground with other MIAA schools

[ziggy]

So, now that the MIAA teams are all wrapped up....what's the word on recruiting? I haven't much around Calvin but I'd be interested to know if anyone has had their ear to the ground with other MIAA schools

It seems that Calvin is out for Drake Harris. He wants to be a two-sport student athlete so the lack of a football team clearly hurts their chances.