MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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I'd be interested in hearing a list of the top established D3 coaching names out there and comparing their resumes.

As far as 'established' goes, perhaps coaches that have been in their current spot for more than five years? What do you all think?

Anyone have names for me?

How about we compare him to such names as Bobby Knight, Lloyd Carr, Bobby Bowden, and now recently Bruce Weber? Coaches who were successful and then lost the "choice" to stay or go. Anyone have feedback when it is no longer the coaches "choice"? And I would say that Bruce Weber is a fair comparison as he was "successful" in the Big Ten and just recently had a bad streak of about 6 years....

Bruce Weber's problem was that he eventually ran out of Bill Self's players. He didn't win a national championship in year four or take completely different group of players to the final four five years later.

[Knight2Day]

I'd be interested in hearing a list of the top established D3 coaching names out there and comparing their resumes.

As far as 'established' goes, perhaps coaches that have been in their current spot for more than five years? What do you all think?

Anyone have names for me?

How about we compare him to such names as Bobby Knight, Lloyd Carr, Bobby Bowden, and now recently Bruce Weber? Coaches who were successful and then lost the "choice" to stay or go. Anyone have feedback when it is no longer the coaches "choice"? And I would say that Bruce Weber is a fair comparison as he was "successful" in the Big Ten and just recently had a bad streak of about 6 years....

Bruce Weber's problem was that he eventually ran out of Bill Self's players. He didn't win a national championship in year four or take completely different group of players to the final four five years later.

Also played in a much tougher conference and competed with comparatively less talent than KVS does at the MIAA/D3 (and I would argue all day that KVS actually lost the semi-final game in '05 for the Knights)...but we digress, you've picked one coach out of the ones I brought up, my question still stands, when is it no longer the coaches choice?

[KnightSlappy]

I'd be interested in hearing a list of the top established D3 coaching names out there and comparing their resumes.

As far as 'established' goes, perhaps coaches that have been in their current spot for more than five years? What do you all think?

Anyone have names for me?

How about we compare him to such names as Bobby Knight, Lloyd Carr, Bobby Bowden, and now recently Bruce Weber? Coaches who were successful and then lost the "choice" to stay or go. Anyone have feedback when it is no longer the coaches "choice"? And I would say that Bruce Weber is a fair comparison as he was "successful" in the Big Ten and just recently had a bad streak of about 6 years....

Bruce Weber's problem was that he eventually ran out of Bill Self's players. He didn't win a national championship in year four or take completely different group of players to the final four five years later.

Also played in a much tougher conference and competed with comparatively less talent than KVS does at the MIAA/D3 (and I would argue all day that KVS actually lost the semi-final game in '05 for the Knights)...but we digress, you've picked one coach out of the ones I brought up, my question still stands, when is it no longer the coaches choice?

When he gets fired.

[KnightSlappy]

I looked up the two basketball coaches you mentioned plus Izzo. Here are their conference records:

Coach
Vande Streek          0.755
Knight (Indiana)      0.700
Izzo                  0.685
Weber                 0.578

[Knight2Day]

I looked up the two basketball coaches you mentioned plus Izzo. Here are their conference records:

Coach
Vande Streek          0.755
Knight (Indiana)      0.700
Izzo                  0.685
Weber                 0.578

Wanna include S.o.S? Pretty sure there's more above .500 in the Big Ten than in the MIAA.

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I looked up the two basketball coaches you mentioned plus Izzo. Here are their conference records:

Coach
Vande Streek          0.755
Knight (Indiana)      0.700
Izzo                  0.685
Weber                 0.578

Wanna include S.o.S? Pretty sure there's more above .500 in the Big Ten than in the MIAA.

and more below .500 teams in the Big Ten

[KnightSlappy]

I looked up the two basketball coaches you mentioned plus Izzo. Here are their conference records:

Coach
Vande Streek          0.755
Knight (Indiana)      0.700
Izzo                  0.685
Weber                 0.578

Wanna include S.o.S? Pretty sure there's more above .500 in the Big Ten than in the MIAA.

I don't want to include SOS actually. That's why I chose conference winning percentage. It's a measure of what each coach "has done" relative to the league they're in.

There's no way you can compare D1 power conferences to D3 conferences. There are no similarities to speak of. That's why I asked for D3 coaches in the first place.

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I looked up the two basketball coaches you mentioned plus Izzo. Here are their conference records:

Coach
Vande Streek          0.755
Knight (Indiana)      0.700
Izzo                  0.685
Weber                 0.578

Glenn Van Wieren was .777 over the same number of years, for what it's worth.

[KnightSlappy]

FWIW, Shaka Smart has compiled a .704 winning percentage in three years in the CAA (no league titles).

[gohope]

FWIW, Shaka Smart has compiled a .704 winning percentage in three years in the CAA (no league titles).

Yeah, there might not be any league titles, but his teams have really helped me in my basketball pools!!   

With peaking, timing is everything!

[Knight2Day]

I looked up the two basketball coaches you mentioned plus Izzo. Here are their conference records:

Coach
Vande Streek          0.755
Knight (Indiana)      0.700
Izzo                  0.685
Weber                 0.578

Wanna include S.o.S? Pretty sure there's more above .500 in the Big Ten than in the MIAA.

I don't want to include SOS actually. That's why I chose conference winning percentage. It's a measure of what each coach "has done" relative to the league they're in.

There's no way you can compare D1 power conferences to D3 conferences. There are no similarities to speak of. That's why I asked for D3 coaches in the first place.

The comparison is the fact that the D1 coaches we're comparing him to played in conferences that had more than 3 or 4 teams any given year with above .500 records. That's completely comparable. If KVS is recording 16 to 19 wins per year (we'll exclude this years  sad excuse for a season) and he's doing it against teams that aren't even at the Mendoza line, the wins don't MEAN anything.

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FWIW, Shaka Smart has compiled a .704 winning percentage in three years in the CAA (no league titles).

Yeah, there might not be any league titles, but his teams have really helped me in my basketball pools!!   

With peaking, timing is everything!

That's what she said.

[KnightSlappy]

I looked up the two basketball coaches you mentioned plus Izzo. Here are their conference records:

Coach
Vande Streek          0.755
Knight (Indiana)      0.700
Izzo                  0.685
Weber                 0.578

Wanna include S.o.S? Pretty sure there's more above .500 in the Big Ten than in the MIAA.

I don't want to include SOS actually. That's why I chose conference winning percentage. It's a measure of what each coach "has done" relative to the league they're in.

There's no way you can compare D1 power conferences to D3 conferences. There are no similarities to speak of. That's why I asked for D3 coaches in the first place.

The comparison is the fact that the D1 coaches we're comparing him to played in conferences that had more than 3 or 4 teams any given year with above .500 records. That's completely comparable. If KVS is recording 16 to 19 wins per year (we'll exclude this years  sad excuse for a season) and he's doing it against teams that aren't even at the Mendoza line, the wins don't MEAN anything.

All but one MIAA team was above the Mendoza line this year.

[Knight2Day]

I looked up the two basketball coaches you mentioned plus Izzo. Here are their conference records:

Coach
Vande Streek          0.755
Knight (Indiana)      0.700
Izzo                  0.685
Weber                 0.578

Wanna include S.o.S? Pretty sure there's more above .500 in the Big Ten than in the MIAA.

I don't want to include SOS actually. That's why I chose conference winning percentage. It's a measure of what each coach "has done" relative to the league they're in.

There's no way you can compare D1 power conferences to D3 conferences. There are no similarities to speak of. That's why I asked for D3 coaches in the first place.

The comparison is the fact that the D1 coaches we're comparing him to played in conferences that had more than 3 or 4 teams any given year with above .500 records. That's completely comparable. If KVS is recording 16 to 19 wins per year (we'll exclude this years  sad excuse for a season) and he's doing it against teams that aren't even at the Mendoza line, the wins don't MEAN anything.

All but one MIAA team was above the Mendoza line this year.

All but one?

Albion   7   7   62.9   66.7      11   14   62.8   66.6
Alma   5   9   75.9   81.5      9   16   76.9   81.5
K-zoo   3   11   64.4   72.6      8   17   67.6   74.7
Olivet   2   12   66.1   81.9      4   21   65.2   79.3

If by one, you mean 4 which equates to HALF the teams in the conference, and that wasn't including Calvin which finished 13-13, but the usual count for teams finishing ABOVE .500 is around 3-4 per season

[KnightSlappy]

Mendoza line is .200