MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Mr. Ypsi]

Despite the 'winning' pitcher!  Baseball scoring sometimes is just plain weird - Verlander pitches a 2-hit shutout for 8 innings; Valverde gives up three hits and two runs in 1 inning; Valverde gets the win, Verlander gets a no-decision!

[gohope]

Despite the 'winning' pitcher!  Baseball scoring sometimes is just plain weird - Verlander pitches a 2-hit shutout for 8 innings; Valverde gives up three hits and two runs in 1 inning; Valverde gets the win, Verlander gets a no-decision!

You have got to be kidding!!! (I KNOW that you aren't, but I couldn't come up with anything else!!) Thanks for the update and my other response, "Unbelievable!!!"

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Despite the 'winning' pitcher!  Baseball scoring sometimes is just plain weird - Verlander pitches a 2-hit shutout for 8 innings; Valverde gives up three hits and two runs in 1 inning; Valverde gets the win, Verlander gets a no-decision!

You have got to be kidding!!! (I KNOW that you aren't, but I couldn't come up with anything else!!) Thanks for the update and my other response, "Unbelievable!!!"

At least Valverde won't have the pressure of trying to go 2 straight seasons without blowing a save 

[Knight2Day]

Just out of curiosity, anybody know how many 20 win seasons Douma had at Calvin?

"During his tenure at Calvin from 1984-1996, he posted 254 wins with 72 losses for a scorching .793 winning percentage. Douma's teams won six MIAA titles and earned nine NCAA post-season berths. Besides the national title, his squads gained entry to the quarterfinals twice and the semifinals once."  He was 131-28 versus MIAA teams, or something like .823 w/p.
Ed. had more 20 win seasons in 12 years at Calvin than the current coach has in 16.

Also had way better talent.   Honderd, Sall, Davis......Calvin's had no one close to those guys the last 7 years.

I would strongly argue that the talent that they played against was much better as well however. The night Honderd dropped 61 on K-zoo they needed every single point to put that one away. If Honderd played in today's MIAA his averages would've been around 30 and 17....if you want to argue that we don't compare apples to apples, comparing the MIAA of the late 80's-early 90's to the MIAA of the 2000's (especially the last 5 years) is not even close. Douma's teams would've gone undefeated and ran teams off the court by 35 on a nightly basis in today's league.

[sac]

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Just out of curiosity, anybody know how many 20 win seasons Douma had at Calvin?

"During his tenure at Calvin from 1984-1996, he posted 254 wins with 72 losses for a scorching .793 winning percentage. Douma's teams won six MIAA titles and earned nine NCAA post-season berths. Besides the national title, his squads gained entry to the quarterfinals twice and the semifinals once."  He was 131-28 versus MIAA teams, or something like .823 w/p.
Ed. had more 20 win seasons in 12 years at Calvin than the current coach has in 16.

Also had way better talent.   Honderd, Sall, Davis......Calvin's had no one close to those guys the last 7 years.

I would strongly argue that the talent that they played against was much better as well however. The night Honderd dropped 61 on K-zoo they needed every single point to put that one away. If Honderd played in today's MIAA his averages would've been around 30 and 17....if you want to argue that we don't compare apples to apples, comparing the MIAA of the late 80's-early 90's to the MIAA of the 2000's (especially the last 5 years) is not even close. Douma's teams would've gone undefeated and ran teams off the court by 35 on a nightly basis in today's league.

My point was Douma coached 6 straight seasons of Calvin basketball with at least 2 guys who either were or would eventually become All-Americans on the same team.   Hope hasn't had quite the same level of talent recently but they have had 4 all-americans in the last 7 seasons, with a couple overlapping more than once.  KVS just hasn't had the same level of talent to work with that Calvin had in those days.

Douma coached 8 guys who were good enough to be named MIAA MVP, seven years he had the leagues best player.  KVS = 4

[Knight2Day]

Level

Just out of curiosity, anybody know how many 20 win seasons Douma had at Calvin?

"During his tenure at Calvin from 1984-1996, he posted 254 wins with 72 losses for a scorching .793 winning percentage. Douma's teams won six MIAA titles and earned nine NCAA post-season berths. Besides the national title, his squads gained entry to the quarterfinals twice and the semifinals once."  He was 131-28 versus MIAA teams, or something like .823 w/p.
Ed. had more 20 win seasons in 12 years at Calvin than the current coach has in 16.

Also had way better talent.   Honderd, Sall, Davis......Calvin's had no one close to those guys the last 7 years.

I would strongly argue that the talent that they played against was much better as well however. The night Honderd dropped 61 on K-zoo they needed every single point to put that one away. If Honderd played in today's MIAA his averages would've been around 30 and 17....if you want to argue that we don't compare apples to apples, comparing the MIAA of the late 80's-early 90's to the MIAA of the 2000's (especially the last 5 years) is not even close. Douma's teams would've gone undefeated and ran teams off the court by 35 on a nightly basis in today's league.

My point was Douma coached 6 straight seasons of Calvin basketball with at least 2 guys who either were or would eventually become All-Americans on the same team.   Hope hasn't had quite the same level of talent recently but they have had 4 all-americans in the last 7 seasons, with a couple overlapping more than once.  KVS just hasn't had the same level of talent to work with that Calvin had in those days.

Douma coached 8 guys who were good enough to be named MIAA MVP, seven years he had the leagues best player.  KVS = 4

And my argument has been, and will continue to be, that the reason why KVS hasn't had many MIAA mvp's is because he doesn't develop talent. At all. Period. The handful of players that have developed during their time at Calvin have only done so because they ditch the school's model for "off season work" and hit the gym under some other training style. He's had the players with the potential to be the MIAA mvp (John Mantel, Caleb Veldhouse, Dan Aultman, Jeremy Veenstra his sr year) but he doesn't do anything to help them develop into the players that they should become.

[gohope]

Despite the 'winning' pitcher!  Baseball scoring sometimes is just plain weird - Verlander pitches a 2-hit shutout for 8 innings; Valverde gives up three hits and two runs in 1 inning; Valverde gets the win, Verlander gets a no-decision!

You have got to be kidding!!! (I KNOW that you aren't, but I couldn't come up with anything else!!) Thanks for the update and my other response, "Unbelievable!!!"

At least Valverde won't have the pressure of trying to go 2 straight seasons without blowing a save 

Those were Jim Leland's exact words: (Taken from MLive) "Detroit Tigers' Jim Leyland on blown save by Jose Valverde: 'I'm glad that streak's over'"

Great minds think alike!!!

[hoopdreams]

I don't think, in general, any MIAA schools are the poster children for rigorous, mandatory off-season work, Hope included (especially prior to Neil). I often wondered "how much better" the MIAA (and it's players) could be if they had position work and individual skill sessions year round, on top of mandatory strength/plyos/conditioning + team sets, etc....many great players are self made, gym rats and it wouldn't matter who the head coach was.  There have been endless players that haven't developed "to their full potential" and they're not regulated the maroon and gold uni's.

An example would be at U of M where each guard meets with an assistant 2 days per week in the off season and works entirely on catching the ball and lining up the seams until it becomes instinctive.  a coach literally kneels next to them, spins the ball randomly and the player has to catch it and instantly find the seams prior to establishing their triple threat position or releasing a shot.  Don't even get me going on 2 man series, post moves, cuts off screens, etc.........

[Mr. Ypsi]

Not certain, but I think such year-round work with coaches is illegal in d3, and I'm almost positive that 'mandatory' off-season sessions are illegal in d3.

[Titan Q]

http://ilprepbullseye.com/D2_Commitments.html


Reliable sources are telling us that Hope College, a D3 school located in Holland, MI could be on the verge of receiving a commitment from 6'7 2012 forward Brock Benson from Hinsdale South High School in Darien, IL.  Benson, who also competed on the traveling team circuit for the Illinois Wolves, is an elite student academically and had also received previous interest from a couple of Ivy League schools.  Word has it that Hope will offer Benson a full President's Scholarship.

[sac]

since its out there, its actually official as of this morning.

http://hinsdale.patch.com/articles/hope-college-signs-hinsdale-south-basketball-star


Sounds like a great kid, also had interest from VTU though probably in a walk-on capacity.  The article mentions WashU was recruiting him.
http://hinsdale.patch.com/articles/hope-college-signs-hinsdale-south-basketball-star

[sac]

I wish I had more in the way of video of Brock Benson but unfortunately there is very little out there that I could find.  You could watch entire Hinsdale South High School games on highschoolcube.com, but it looks like those have been chopped down to individual play highlights.  Otherwise its pretty much all I could find.

I did get the Lyons Township game to work....Brock is #53

http://www.highschoolcube.com/schools/hinsdale-south-high-school-darien-illinois

[hopefan]

I had mentioned to SAC during conference tournament week that I had asked a Wash U assistant how recruiting was going, and his response was "bad... we just lost a key recruit (actually, I believe the words best recruit were used) to Hope.. a big kid near Chicago" ........... I've got to assume this is the kid he was talking about...

Question.. the article says he's majoring in Engineering.... does Hope have 4 year Engineering degreed programs, or do they offer the 3-2 programs that some schools do where the student gets a BS in one of the sciences, then goes elsewhere for 2 years of Engineering?     I just never associated Hope with an Engineering education, rather, I thought of them as very strong Math, Chem, premed etc (aka my two sons went there majoring in Chem, Math, Computer Science).

[goodknight]

Brock sounds like a great kid and a great catch for Hope.  Does anyone in the Hope community know details on the referenced "President's" scholarship?  The young man certainly seems to be a worthy recipient.  I'm just curious about the scope of the scholarship -- is it the top academic award at Hope and what's it worth in terms of $$ for tuition remission.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Question.. the article says he's majoring in Engineering.... does Hope have 4 year Engineering degreed programs, or do they offer the 3-2 programs that some schools do where the student gets a BS in one of the sciences, then goes elsewhere for 2 years of Engineering?     I just never associated Hope with an Engineering education, rather, I thought of them as very strong Math, Chem, premed etc (aka my two sons went there majoring in Chem, Math, Computer Science).

Hope has had an Engineering major for a number of years, after previously using the 3-2 kind of model.  And apprently that major attracts big men, as both 6-10 Nate VanArendonk and 6-10 Craig Toren are also engineering majors.

Brock sounds like a great kid and a great catch for Hope.  Does anyone in the Hope community know details on the referenced "President's" scholarship?  The young man certainly seems to be a worthy recipient.  I'm just curious about the scope of the scholarship -- is it the top academic award at Hope and what's it worth in terms of $$ for tuition remission.

From the Hope website:

Presidential Scholarship
$6,000-$15,000 per year - Scholarships awarded on the basis of overall high school record. Dominant factors in the selection of Presidential Scholars are grade point average, standardized test scores, and rank in class. Students presenting at least a 3.6 or 90 grade point average and an ACT composite score of 28 or combined critical reading/math SAT of 1240 will be considered for this scholarship. Total Award Value: $24,000 - $60,000

The highest scholarship awarded at Hope, a Trustee Scholarship. is $17,000 per year.  This scholarships is "awarded on the basis of academic record, standardized test scores, and demonstrated leadership abilities."