MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Knight2Day]

And the magical post #200

[northb]

Sac.  I hope you understand that the reason Ed. Douma was let go by Calvin was not his coaching ability, but because of CRC p.c. ones.
The irony is that the guy who had a hand in letting Ed. go now has a vested interest in protecting his more CRC p.c. but coaching deficient replacement.
You do not have to be around Calvin sports very long before it is apparent that KVS gets deferential, and preferential treatment.  It is what it is, and perhaps with the coming changes that sorry situation will be corrected.

There is no doubt that will change with the transition from the Byker regime to the LeRoy presidency.  It should be expected that KVS will no longer report directly to the President, but rather to Jim Timmer, the men's AD at Calvin.  A new day, coming this summer.

I would be shocked if KVS ever has to answer to Timmer. If that ever were the case, KVS would hate it especially considering he doesn't want anything to do with players from the Douma era.

Prepare to be shocked.

One can only h*pe

*=o or *=y ?

[knightfire]

Sac.  I hope you understand that the reason Ed. Douma was let go by Calvin was not his coaching ability, but because of CRC p.c. ones.
The irony is that the guy who had a hand in letting Ed. go now has a vested interest in protecting his more CRC p.c. but coaching deficient replacement.
You do not have to be around Calvin sports very long before it is apparent that KVS gets deferential, and preferential treatment.  It is what it is, and perhaps with the coming changes that sorry situation will be corrected.

I'm well aware of why Eddie was let go.

I was merely responding to a comparison between the number of 20 win seasons between KVS and Douma and pointing out Eddie had more talent.

Perhaps Eddie had more talent because Eddie was a better coach.  Perhaps Eddie had more talent because h.s. kids knew Eddie would help them improve their game.  Perhaps Eddie had more talent because Eddie had a personality, and he liked his players.  Perhaps Eddie had more talent because quality kids knew they were going to a program, and a coach that valued winning, and had it as a goal.
Perhaps you should stop being so defensive about a very average coach. 

[hoopdreams]

Could someone please enlighten those not "in the know" (me) as to why Douma left/was asked to leave Calvin?  Nothing I've ever heard about the man, aside from coaching success, has ever been great.  A lot of it is pretty ugly actually.   

[Knight2Day]

Could someone please enlighten those not "in the know" (me) as to why Douma left/was asked to leave Calvin?  Nothing I've ever heard about the man, aside from coaching success, has ever been great.  A lot of it is pretty ugly actually.   

I could be off base (apologies if I am and I'd be happy to receive correction) but from what I've always been told, Douma had some...ahem..character flaws and it rubbed certain individuals involved with the college/the CRC community the wrong way and he was asked to leave by Gaylen. The huge reason that Gaylen is such a KVS supporter is due to the fact that there were many who believed/still do that Douma was an amazing coach and it was a mistake to let him go. However, when KVS won the natty, it gave Gaylen the ability to put his thumb to the proverbial nose towards all the people who were Douma supporters (which is the reason Gaylen would NEVER get rid of KVS no matter how poor a coach he is). 

[sac]

Sac.  I hope you understand that the reason Ed. Douma was let go by Calvin was not his coaching ability, but because of CRC p.c. ones.
The irony is that the guy who had a hand in letting Ed. go now has a vested interest in protecting his more CRC p.c. but coaching deficient replacement.
You do not have to be around Calvin sports very long before it is apparent that KVS gets deferential, and preferential treatment.  It is what it is, and perhaps with the coming changes that sorry situation will be corrected.

I'm well aware of why Eddie was let go.

I was merely responding to a comparison between the number of 20 win seasons between KVS and Douma and pointing out Eddie had more talent.

Perhaps Eddie had more talent because Eddie was a better coach.  Perhaps Eddie had more talent because h.s. kids knew Eddie would help them improve their game.  Perhaps Eddie had more talent because Eddie had a personality, and he liked his players.  Perhaps Eddie had more talent because quality kids knew they were going to a program, and a coach that valued winning, and had it as a goal.
Perhaps you should stop being so defensive about a very average coach.

holy crap man

Its actually a very boring topic for me, but there doesn't seem to be much rational thinking going on so I try to help out when I can.  I will admit that in recent years he hasn't seemed all that interested in coaching on the sidelines sometimes, but he's also had some major stressful things going on in his life.  ie its not easy to have a son in the military overseas in a war zone.  So I don't know, I think there's plenty to like about what he's done for Calvin, maybe that doesn't meet some fans expectations but then maybe some fans don't have very reasonable expectations for whats actually out on the floor.  Also could be just me, but I've been watching for 20+ years now and I just don't see the same level of talent Calvin had in better years.

Please by all means please continue trashing your very succesful coach, recruits love reading this.

[Knight2Day]

Sac.  I hope you understand that the reason Ed. Douma was let go by Calvin was not his coaching ability, but because of CRC p.c. ones.
The irony is that the guy who had a hand in letting Ed. go now has a vested interest in protecting his more CRC p.c. but coaching deficient replacement.
You do not have to be around Calvin sports very long before it is apparent that KVS gets deferential, and preferential treatment.  It is what it is, and perhaps with the coming changes that sorry situation will be corrected.

I'm well aware of why Eddie was let go.

I was merely responding to a comparison between the number of 20 win seasons between KVS and Douma and pointing out Eddie had more talent.

Perhaps Eddie had more talent because Eddie was a better coach.  Perhaps Eddie had more talent because h.s. kids knew Eddie would help them improve their game.  Perhaps Eddie had more talent because Eddie had a personality, and he liked his players.  Perhaps Eddie had more talent because quality kids knew they were going to a program, and a coach that valued winning, and had it as a goal.
Perhaps you should stop being so defensive about a very average coach.

holy crap man

Its actually a very boring topic for me, but there doesn't seem to be much rational thinking going on so I try to help out when I can.  I will admit that in recent years he hasn't seemed all that interested in coaching on the sidelines sometimes, but he's also had some major stressful things going on in his life.  ie its not easy to have a son in the military overseas in a war zone.  So I don't know, I think there's plenty to like about what he's done for Calvin, maybe that doesn't meet some fans expectations but then maybe some fans don't have very reasonable expectations for whats actually out on the floor.  Also could be just me, but I've been watching for 20+ years now and I just don't see the same level of talent Calvin had in better years.

Please by all means please continue trashing your very succesful coach, recruits love reading this.

In the probably 10 years I've been watching D3 hoops, I think the talent level as a whole has decreased pretty significantly however.....

[sac]

Had a conversation last night about Hope's potential rotations next season.  With Nate Snuggerud becoming Hope's most prolific 3-point shooter I understand the Dutchmen are considering moving Nate to the 2 and inserting Josh Holwerda into the lineup as the 3.  Fr. Brock Benson takes the floor at the 4 and Van Arendonk plays the 5 (until he picks up his 2nd foul 5 minutes into the game).  Colton Overway looks up to everyone from the point guard spot.

This makes Hope 6-0, 6-5, 6-8, 6-8, 6-10.  This seems very plausible.

A margarita or two may have been involved.

[Knight2Day]

A margarita or two may have been involved.

+k

[hoopdreams]

If i'm going to get karma deducted for asking a simple question, I might as well go down with guns blazin'.  I was told, flat out,by a former all-MIAA performer who played four years for him (name not mentioned)- that he (name not mentioned) was racist. 

KVS- has a son in the military in a war zone (already eluded to), a son who was almost killed in a car accident, an injuury riddled team last year, underachieving leadership from his captains, an assistant that was undermining him (never did hear the true story behnd this saga) and a fickle fanbase, that in general only shows up for Hope games or tourney championships.

Even though Hope has had superior records and results the past 4 years, their teams have crapped themselves the last four years in the national tourney( OK, 4 years ago, they weren't as good as opponent but their unwillingness to make adjustments was embarrassing).  And even though the they "under performed" the hope faithful continue to support and refelect on all that's good.  True fans stick through the good times and bad, unless you're the type that likes to stir the pot every once in a while

EDIT- just received a very informative IM from a calvin fan, thank you for the clarity!

[GoKnights68]

Please by all means please continue trashing your very succesful coach, recruits love reading this.

I think firing a successful JV coach that related well to recruits may be hurting more.  Most recruits know that there will naturally be unhappy fans on a forum when a coach that has under-performed.

[Knightmare]

If i'm going to get karma deducted for asking a simple question, I might as well go down with guns blazin'.  I was told, flat out,by a former all-MIAA performer who played four years for him (name not mentioned)- that he (name not mentioned) was racist. 

KVS- has a son in the military in a war zone (already eluded to), a son who was almost killed in a car accident, an injuury riddled team last year, underachieving leadership from his captains, an assistant that was undermining him (never did hear the true story behnd this saga) and a fickle fanbase, that in general only shows up for Hope games or tourney championships.

Even though Hope has had superior records and results the past 4 years, their teams have crapped themselves the last four years in the national tourney( OK, 4 years ago, they weren't as good as opponent but their unwillingness to make adjustments was embarrassing).  And even though the they "under performed" the hope faithful continue to support and refelect on all that's good.  True fans stick through the good times and bad, unless you're the type that likes to stir the pot every once in a while

EDIT- just received a very informative IM from a calvin fan, thank you for the clarity!

Can you forward the IM to me as I don't know anything about the Douma situation either.  He left just before I got to Calvin and I've never heard the circumstances on why such a successful (wins & losses) coach was let go.  He's bounced around to a few different places since his Calvin days too.

[KnightSlappy]

Please by all means please continue trashing your very succesful coach, recruits love reading this.

I think firing a successful JV coach that related well to recruits may be hurting more.  Most recruits know that there will naturally be unhappy fans on a forum with a coach that has under-performed.

Yeah, but no one's even mentioned Jody May and Albion. 

[sac]

slow day and I'm still coming out of my 4 day golf viewing coma.

Trey Burke is staying at Michigan, so there's that.  Best decision a 19 year old kid has made in some time.

[KnightSlappy]

Good news: North Park will be at the Calvin Tip-off Tournament this year.

Bad news: An in-region matchup with Calvin isn't guaranteed to take place.

Philadelphia Bible vs. North Park
Grace Bible vs. Calvin