MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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A rather ugly situation that could impact the MIAA: http://record.goshen.edu/2012/04/21169-five-basketball-players-to-transfer

[northb]

The IWU Titans in the locker room @ Wooster 3/9, before facing the Scots.  A little tribute to the fans in Holland...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA7yBixILCc&feature=relmfu


To say the 2011-12 Titans were a "loose bunch" would be an understatement!

this vs. the proto-type for locker room dancing and singing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGnR2qpurI8&feature=related

[knightvision]

Hope's list  (may or not be complete.....or factual (or funny))

1.  consult the original master plan  --its magnificent
2. build multi-million dollar facility that can be filled more than once per season --success
3.  replace scoreboard that was obsolete the day the arena opened  --woefully pending
4.   name everything on campus after an Amway founder  -- in progress
5.  hire a new President
6.  hire another new President --pending
7.  have students do intoxicating dance that forces alumni to join in, even 80 year old ladies with walkers  --hysterical
8.  beat Calvin  --check
9.  beat Adrian  --check
10.  end Calvin's season 2 years, 3 years, 4 years, 5 years, 6 years, 7 years, 8 years in a row
11.  not exit NCAA tournament in a dramatic or painful way  --pending
12.  hang a men's National Championship banner  --pending
13.  update archives to reflect correct length of Kzoo and Alma win streaks  --pending
14.  host multiple women's final-fours, get fans excited, and then don't make the final 4
15.  get 5th year for Nate VanArendonk
16.  Convince Tom Davelaar to wear a sombrero to every home game next year --pending
17.  drink more water  --pending

sac, I wish reading the "to do" lists my wife puts together for me made me laugh the way your Calvin and Hope lists did....if I knew how to give karma, I'd give you some!

However, I feel compelled to provide another point of clarification regarding descriptors of, or in this case, the status of banners as noted in #12 above....

Doesn't "pending" imply something that is nearly certain or imminent? 

[ziggy]

Hope's list  (may or not be complete.....or factual (or funny))

1.  consult the original master plan  --its magnificent
2. build multi-million dollar facility that can be filled more than once per season --success
3.  replace scoreboard that was obsolete the day the arena opened  --woefully pending
4.   name everything on campus after an Amway founder  -- in progress
5.  hire a new President
6.  hire another new President --pending
7.  have students do intoxicating dance that forces alumni to join in, even 80 year old ladies with walkers  --hysterical
8.  beat Calvin  --check
9.  beat Adrian  --check
10.  end Calvin's season 2 years, 3 years, 4 years, 5 years, 6 years, 7 years, 8 years in a row
11.  not exit NCAA tournament in a dramatic or painful way  --pending
12.  hang a men's National Championship banner  --pending
13.  update archives to reflect correct length of Kzoo and Alma win streaks  --pending
14.  host multiple women's final-fours, get fans excited, and then don't make the final 4
15.  get 5th year for Nate VanArendonk
16.  Convince Tom Davelaar to wear a sombrero to every home game next year --pending
17.  drink more water  --pending

sac, I wish reading the "to do" lists my wife puts together for me made me laugh the way your Calvin and Hope lists did....if I knew how to give karma, I'd give you some!

However, I feel compelled to provide another point of clarification regarding descriptors of, or in this case, the status of banners as noted in #12 above....

Doesn't "pending" imply something that is nearly certain or imminent? 

No, that would be impending.

[knightvision]

A rather ugly situation that could impact the MIAA: http://record.goshen.edu/2012/04/21169-five-basketball-players-to-transfer

Potentially, but WOTS is that three of the five appear on their way to Indiana Tech and one is dancing with Davenport....

[KnightSlappy]

...if I knew how to give karma, I'd give you some!

Once you've made 200 posts, an 'applaud' and 'smite' button will appear next to each post (under each user's Karma score).

[knightvision]

Hope's list  (may or not be complete.....or factual (or funny))

1.  consult the original master plan  --its magnificent
2. build multi-million dollar facility that can be filled more than once per season --success
3.  replace scoreboard that was obsolete the day the arena opened  --woefully pending
4.   name everything on campus after an Amway founder  -- in progress
5.  hire a new President
6.  hire another new President --pending
7.  have students do intoxicating dance that forces alumni to join in, even 80 year old ladies with walkers  --hysterical
8.  beat Calvin  --check
9.  beat Adrian  --check
10.  end Calvin's season 2 years, 3 years, 4 years, 5 years, 6 years, 7 years, 8 years in a row
11.  not exit NCAA tournament in a dramatic or painful way  --pending
12.  hang a men's National Championship banner  --pending
13.  update archives to reflect correct length of Kzoo and Alma win streaks  --pending
14.  host multiple women's final-fours, get fans excited, and then don't make the final 4
15.  get 5th year for Nate VanArendonk
16.  Convince Tom Davelaar to wear a sombrero to every home game next year --pending
17.  drink more water  --pending

sac, I wish reading the "to do" lists my wife puts together for me made me laugh the way your Calvin and Hope lists did....if I knew how to give karma, I'd give you some!

However, I feel compelled to provide another point of clarification regarding descriptors of, or in this case, the status of banners as noted in #12 above....

Doesn't "pending" imply something that is nearly certain or imminent? 

No, that would be impending.

Having consulted my trusty American Heritage Dictionary from several decades ago prior to my post, I'll stand by my use of the word.  The second definition of "pending" (following "awaiting conclusion or confirmation") reads as follows:

"Impending; Imminent:"  ....followed by the use of the word in the following sentence, and I write it as exactly written:  "She was very much aware that a climax was pending."

I would like to take a moment to collect myself....  -completed
Apologize to all those who may take offense.... - completed
Brace myself for the comments that I suspect will follow about whether that descriptive sentence implies something that is pending (read "imminent") or something much farther off and nowhere near to completion... - in progress 

[Gregory Sager]

The NCAA must have updated their mileage database. Calvin and Wheaton are now 210 miles apart (or 211 depending on which direction you're going).

Just checked some other borderline matchups, and the only in/out of region change for the Knights is Elmhurst is now definitely out of region for Calvin. Used to be 198 miles in one direction and 201 in the other, but it now lists Elmhurst as 202 and 203. 

https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

So, that now means 6 of the closest 12 non-con D3's are out of region for the Knights.

People keep talking about global warming when the obvious problem is global expanding.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

A rather ugly situation that could impact the MIAA: http://record.goshen.edu/2012/04/21169-five-basketball-players-to-transfer

Interesting situation.  It seems like the players on the team had a major beef with the coach's inability to define roles and have a set rotation.  They have voted with their feet and aired their grievances with the local media.

Player quotation: "We never had a rotation. It was whoever [the coaching staff] felt like playing at the time."
Player quotation II:  "[The coaching staff] kept telling us how deep we were and, yeah, we probably had guys that can play; but even teams that have 10 or 11 guys that can really play...you want to get a rotation down."

Coach quotation:  "As a coach, you need to analyze each game and make decisions on which players are going to give you the best opportunity to win.  This is often contrary to what the players see or think."

But where did that coaching philosophy get him? The fact is that this seemingly talented Goshen team got significantly worse in the W-L column throughout the year.  They started out 13-1 , posting a 10-3 non conference record.  Then, they go 8-10 in league and lose in the first round of conference tourney.  And, five contributors felt the need to transfer schools over these issues. 

I know of one coach in these parts who has taken quite a bit of flak over having a very defined rotation, and also struggling in non-conference play.  But if that leads to players knowing their defined roles, generally improving over the course of the season, and retaining the top talent within the program, is that such a bad thing?

[knightfire]

Name that coach.   

Alex., I would like to buy a K for $0.02

[gohope]

Name that coach.   

Alex., I would like to buy a K for $0.02

Technically you would want to speak with Pat Sajak about this, and you can only buy vowels at $250.00 each. 

But I appreciate your thought process!!   

[KnightSlappy]

A rather ugly situation that could impact the MIAA: http://record.goshen.edu/2012/04/21169-five-basketball-players-to-transfer

Interesting situation.  It seems like the players on the team had a major beef with the coach's inability to define roles and have a set rotation.  They have voted with their feet and aired their grievances with the local media.

Player quotation: "We never had a rotation. It was whoever [the coaching staff] felt like playing at the time."
Player quotation II:  "[The coaching staff] kept telling us how deep we were and, yeah, we probably had guys that can play; but even teams that have 10 or 11 guys that can really play...you want to get a rotation down."

Coach quotation:  "As a coach, you need to analyze each game and make decisions on which players are going to give you the best opportunity to win.  This is often contrary to what the players see or think."

But where did that coaching philosophy get him? The fact is that this seemingly talented Goshen team got significantly worse in the W-L column throughout the year.  They started out 13-1 , posting a 10-3 non conference record.  Then, they go 8-10 in league and lose in the first round of conference tourney.  And, five contributors felt the need to transfer schools over these issues. 

I know of one coach in these parts who has taken quite a bit of flak over having a very defined rotation, and also struggling in non-conference play.  But if that leads to players knowing their defined roles, generally improving over the course of the season, and retaining the top talent within the program, is that such a bad thing?

I think part of the issue is 99% of our sports narratives are built post-hoc. We see the results, and then create a narrative to fit it. If a team wins with no set rotation, then the coach is lauded for being able to play the matchups or pull the right strings. If a team wins with a strict rotation, then the coach is praised for sticking with his genius system.

[Knightmare]

A rather ugly situation that could impact the MIAA: http://record.goshen.edu/2012/04/21169-five-basketball-players-to-transfer

Interesting situation.  It seems like the players on the team had a major beef with the coach's inability to define roles and have a set rotation.  They have voted with their feet and aired their grievances with the local media.

Player quotation: "We never had a rotation. It was whoever [the coaching staff] felt like playing at the time."
Player quotation II:  "[The coaching staff] kept telling us how deep we were and, yeah, we probably had guys that can play; but even teams that have 10 or 11 guys that can really play...you want to get a rotation down."

Coach quotation:  "As a coach, you need to analyze each game and make decisions on which players are going to give you the best opportunity to win.  This is often contrary to what the players see or think."

But where did that coaching philosophy get him? The fact is that this seemingly talented Goshen team got significantly worse in the W-L column throughout the year.  They started out 13-1 , posting a 10-3 non conference record.  Then, they go 8-10 in league and lose in the first round of conference tourney.  And, five contributors felt the need to transfer schools over these issues. 

I know of one coach in these parts who has taken quite a bit of flak over having a very defined rotation, and also struggling in non-conference play.  But if that leads to players knowing their defined roles, generally improving over the course of the season, and retaining the top talent within the program, is that such a bad thing?

I think part of the issue is 99% of our sports narratives are built post-hoc. We see the results, and then create a narrative to fit it. If a team wins with no set rotation, then the coach is lauded for being able to play the matchups or pull the right strings. If a team wins with a strict rotation, then the coach is praised for sticking with his genius system.

Very well stated,  +K.  That's why there are so many brilliant arm-chair quarterbacks out there in all sports.  It's always easier to say what you would've done or what someone else should've done when we have the benefit of hindsight.  Making the decision  at that exact moment in time without benefit of hindsight is much more difficult.

[realist]

A rather ugly situation that could impact the MIAA: http://record.goshen.edu/2012/04/21169-five-basketball-players-to-transfer

Interesting situation.  It seems like the players on the team had a major beef with the coach's inability to define roles and have a set rotation.  They have voted with their feet and aired their grievances with the local media.

Player quotation: "We never had a rotation. It was whoever [the coaching staff] felt like playing at the time."
Player quotation II:  "[The coaching staff] kept telling us how deep we were and, yeah, we probably had guys that can play; but even teams that have 10 or 11 guys that can really play...you want to get a rotation down."

Coach quotation:  "As a coach, you need to analyze each game and make decisions on which players are going to give you the best opportunity to win.  This is often contrary to what the players see or think."

But where did that coaching philosophy get him? The fact is that this seemingly talented Goshen team got significantly worse in the W-L column throughout the year.  They started out 13-1 , posting a 10-3 non conference record.  Then, they go 8-10 in league and lose in the first round of conference tourney.  And, five contributors felt the need to transfer schools over these issues. 

I know of one coach in these parts who has taken quite a bit of flak over having a very defined rotation, and also struggling in non-conference play.  But if that leads to players knowing their defined roles, generally improving over the course of the season, and retaining the top talent within the program, is that such a bad thing?

I think part of the issue is 99% of our sports narratives are built post-hoc. We see the results, and then create a narrative to fit it. If a team wins with no set rotation, then the coach is lauded for being able to play the matchups or pull the right strings. If a team wins with a strict rotation, then the coach is praised for sticking with his genius system.

I agree, and would add that when the coach loses when winging it with rotations negative comments are deserved, and likewise a coach deserves a negative response when a loss is tied to rigid rotation adherence.  Oh wait.   I forgot, when they win the coach gets the credit, and when they lose it must be the players fault!

[realist]

7.  have students do intoxicating dance that forces alumni to join in, even 80 year old ladies with walkers  And includes SAC too!!!!     --hysterical

I'm considering adding more cardio so I can participate longer than a couple seconds next year.

You know this post is just "begging" for someone to comment that your "significant other" may or may not appreciate the effort. Completed