MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

Kalamazoo has its schedule posted  http://www.kzoo.edu/sports/mb/mb12-13/mbschd12-13.html

Very similar to K's schedule from 2 or 3 years ago, 9 in-region games and will probably pick up at least one in-region game at the Rhodes tournament.  So root for the Hornets to pick up some important in-region wins.

6 teams return from last year, K went 2-4.  Blown out by Defiance and Chicago and competitive in the other 4.

The MIAA/HCAC challenge with Trine/Manchester/Earlham returns so looks for that on Trine's schedule.

Three pretty challenging games with Chicago, North Central and a trip to DePauw.

The only weird thing is it looks like K has games during exam week and have no games after Christmas until the start of the MIAA schedule.



Things that make you scratch your head:  On the way to the Rhodes Tournament in Memphis, TN where they'll probably get an in-region game, Kzoo will pass over a half-dozen other D3 schools that wouldn't be considered in-region. 

[Knight2Day]

Any early predictions for how the conference will stack up in 2013?

1. Calvin
2. Hope
----
3. Adrian
4. Trine
5. Albion
----
6. Alma
----
7. Kalamazoo
8. Olivet

With the "----" representing crude team tiers.

Leave it to a Calvin fan to put the Knights in a tier above the teams that they went 2-4 against

had a positive point differential against.

Fixed it.

Until Calvin proves something to me, I'm still putting them behind Adrian and Hope. Really wish I didn't have that mindset but just can't shake history.

[KnightSlappy]

Any early predictions for how the conference will stack up in 2013?

1. Calvin
2. Hope
----
3. Adrian
4. Trine
5. Albion
----
6. Alma
----
7. Kalamazoo
8. Olivet

With the "----" representing crude team tiers.

Leave it to a Calvin fan to put the Knights in a tier above the teams that they went 2-4 against

had a positive point differential against.

Fixed it.

Until Calvin proves something to me, I'm still putting them behind Adrian and Hope. Really wish I didn't have that mindset but just can't shake history.

That long, long history of Adrian finishing ahead of Calvin? One time by one game.

[Chief]

Hows this for a tier? This is strictly according to next year. No history. With the recent coaching changes miaa basketball is heading in a new direction. It is becoming more balanced top to bottom.

Adrian
Calvin
Hope
Trine
Albion
Alma
----
Kalamazoo
Olivet

[Knight2Day]

Any early predictions for how the conference will stack up in 2013?

1. Calvin
2. Hope
----
3. Adrian
4. Trine
5. Albion
----
6. Alma
----
7. Kalamazoo
8. Olivet

With the "----" representing crude team tiers.

Leave it to a Calvin fan to put the Knights in a tier above the teams that they went 2-4 against

had a positive point differential against.

Fixed it.

Until Calvin proves something to me, I'm still putting them behind Adrian and Hope. Really wish I didn't have that mindset but just can't shake history.

That long, long history of Adrian finishing ahead of Calvin? One time by one game.

Calvin's record vs. teams with above .500 records the last 5 years? Also their record vs Adrian the last 2 years? Those push me away from your conclusion KS. But you would also believe Michael Jordan was going to play at Calvin if KVS told you since he's the re-incarnation of Phil Jackson in your mind, so I'll stay with reality till watching Calvin makes me believe otherwise.

[almcguirejr]

Calvin's record vs. teams with above .500 records the last 5 years? Also their record vs Adrian the last 2 years? Those push me away from your conclusion KS. But you would also believe Michael Jordan was going to play at Calvin if KVS told you since he's the re-incarnation of Phil Jackson in your mind, so I'll stay with reality till watching Calvin makes me believe otherwise.

Phil Jackson won with Jordan, Kobe, and Shaq.  It takes great players to win.

[KnightSlappy]

Calvin's record vs. teams with above .500 records the last 5 years? Also their record vs Adrian the last 2 years? Those push me away from your conclusion KS. But you would also believe Michael Jordan was going to play at Calvin if KVS told you since he's the re-incarnation of Phil Jackson in your mind, so I'll stay with reality till watching Calvin makes me believe otherwise.

I didn't even know he was sick.

[Knight2Day]

Calvin's record vs. teams with above .500 records the last 5 years? Also their record vs Adrian the last 2 years? Those push me away from your conclusion KS. But you would also believe Michael Jordan was going to play at Calvin if KVS told you since he's the re-incarnation of Phil Jackson in your mind, so I'll stay with reality till watching Calvin makes me believe otherwise.

Phil Jackson won with Jordan, Kobe, and Shaq.  It takes great players to win.

That's right, I forgot, KVS didn't inherit the second winningest program in D3, great recruits, great facilities, great academics, and great support from the community. Man, he has had it pretty damn tough.

And KS, lay off the KVS kool-aid and you'll pick up on sarcasm. Maybe you should have him come read you bedtime stories about the glory days of the Calvin program under Douma.

[sflzman]

Hows this for a tier? This is strictly according to next year. No history. With the recent coaching changes miaa basketball is heading in a new direction. It is becoming more balanced top to bottom.

Adrian
Calvin
Hope
Trine
Albion
Alma
----
Kalamazoo
Olivet

I think this is going to be the closest to accurate. I still think hope will win the league but it won't be unchallenged and 2-6 will be 100% a tossup. The last playoff spot is going to be decided on the last weekend I will put money on that.

To further expand in it. I don't think we will know the playoff matchups until 9:30 on the last Saturday night and even at 9:30 we might all be on here collectively arguing about tiebreakers before the official matchups are announced.   

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Serious question Dave.

How many D3 representatives were on the committee that decided the Championship would be in Atlanta?  Because there seems to be a difference in what you(or Mr. Dutcher) are saying about D3 having a choice in this matter, and what other people out in the D3 world are saying.

I've been told there were 2 D3 reps. at the vote, Mr. Dutcher seems to be implying it was all D3 reps.

Sac... I got this from the source, Dan Dutcher:

"Here are the various committees (with membership) that vetted this (Note: there is a bit of overlap among some committee members):

D3 Men's Basketball (8)
D3 Championships (9)
D3 Strategic Planning and Finance (13)
D3 Management Council (21)
D3 Presidents Council (15)

Every D3 committee easily had a majority of support. The two primary drivers were 1) the quality of the student-athlete experience and 2) the opportunity to further promote D3 and its identity. 

The D3 commissioners also conducted an informal poll. Support there was roughly 50% yes, 40% opposed, 10% no position. That poll was considered by MC and PC. 

This was TOTALLY D3's call. The offer was made by the D1 folks in conjunction with the 75th anniversary, then thoroughly vetted and ultimately accepted by the D3 governance structure. We could have backed out at any time."

Hope that helps.

[KnightSlappy]

I understand the sentiment that Adrian is 4-0 versus Calvin the last two years. But it's interesting to see what each of these two teams have done versus the rest of the MIAA over this stretch:

Adrian: 12-12 (.500)
Calvin: 17-7 (.708)

Even just last season, Adrian was 7-5, and Calvin was 8-4.

Obviously they do have to play each other, so Calvin will have to overcome Adrian if they wish to succeed, but the Bulldogs have their own issues to work out. You can't just put forth your top effort versus Calvin and Hope and stub your toe against the rest of the league if you hope to compete for the title.

[Knight2Day]

I understand the sentiment that Adrian is 4-0 versus Calvin the last two years. But it's interesting to see what each of these two teams have done versus the rest of the MIAA over this stretch:

Adrian: 12-12 (.500)
Calvin: 17-7 (.708)

Even just last season, Adrian was 7-5, and Calvin was 8-4.

Obviously they do have to play each other, so Calvin will have to overcome Adrian if they wish to succeed, but the Bulldogs have their own issues to work out. You can't just put forth your top effort versus Calvin and Hope and stub your toe against the rest of the league if you hope to compete for the title.

You literally did not do anything to discourage my point. I said teams with above .500 records in regards to Calvin, the majority of the teams in the MIAA do not have such records.

[KnightSlappy]

I understand the sentiment that Adrian is 4-0 versus Calvin the last two years. But it's interesting to see what each of these two teams have done versus the rest of the MIAA over this stretch:

Adrian: 12-12 (.500)
Calvin: 17-7 (.708)

Even just last season, Adrian was 7-5, and Calvin was 8-4.

Obviously they do have to play each other, so Calvin will have to overcome Adrian if they wish to succeed, but the Bulldogs have their own issues to work out. You can't just put forth your top effort versus Calvin and Hope and stub your toe against the rest of the league if you hope to compete for the title.

You literally did not do anything to discourage my point. I said teams with above .500 records in regards to Calvin, the majority of the teams in the MIAA do not have such records.

Since Coach White took over at Adrian:

Versus MIAA teams with winning overall records

Calvin 10-8 (.556)
Adrian 10-10 (.500)

Versus MIAA teams without winning overall records

Calvin 19-5 (.792)
Adrian 15-7 (.682)

And before you come back and ask "WHY ARE YOU ONLY LOOKING AT MIAA GAMES?" (1) we're talking about how the MIAA season will stack up next year, (2) non-conference schedules have been completely different, and (3) Adrian's percentage is still worse anyway (.413 for Calvin, .412 for Adrian).

[Chief]

Barely

[wiz]

And KS, lay off the KVS kool-aid and you'll pick up on sarcasm. Maybe you should have him come read you bedtime stories about the glory days of the Calvin program under Douma.

KnightSlappy, unless you are a proctologist, you shouldn't have to deal with this.