MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

Hope College would like to invite teams to one of two tournament opportunities. December 7/8 is our home tournament which will involve a generous guarantee, hotel rooms for one night and post game meals both nights. 

Dec 7/8 is a tough weekend to get any reasonably close D3 opponent to Holland let alone an in-region one.  Here's what the neighbors are doing that weekend.

OAC -- opening week of conference play
NCAC -- opening week of conference play
PAC -- opening week of conference play
HCAC -- second week of conference play
NathCon -- opening week of conference play
MWC -- second week of conference play
WIAC --second week of conference play

If you were keeping score that eliminates pretty much every D3 school within about 350 miles. This leaves the CCIW not playing in conference that weekend of which Hope already is playing Wheaton, Carthage, IWU and participating at North Central's tournament.  That leaves Augustana, Millikin, North Park and Elmhurst as the only available D3's within a reasonable distance.  Of these 4, Elmhurst has already released its schedule and they have a game that Saturday.

Finlandia?.....playing Calvin that Saturday

To make matters worse, our most local NAIA neighbors are kind of busy as well

WHAC  --  second week of conference play

which leaves us about 24 NAIA 'neighbor' programs available, 18 of those reasonable assumptions for potential opponents as NAIA II's......
MCC  --  seem to be available
CCAC --  seem to be available




So there ya go, and good luck Matt.

PS...the rest of the MIAA is in this same boat, early December weekends is tough to find in-region games for all of us

[sac]

Adrian's schedule is out
http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/2012-13/schedule


highlight is probably playing at Wooster's tournament the opening weekend.  Also they get to play Mt. Union twice.

[Gregory Sager]

If you were keeping score that eliminates pretty much every D3 school within about 350 miles. This leaves the CCIW not playing in conference that weekend of which Hope already is playing Wheaton, Carthage, IWU and participating at North Central's tournament.  That leaves Augustana, Millikin, North Park and Elmhurst as the only available D3's within a reasonable distance.  Of these 4, Elmhurst has already released its schedule and they have a game that Saturday.

NPU's schedule has basically been set for quite awhile now. I think that there's only one matter left that's keeping it from being ready for release, and that matter does not involve the Vikings having an open date left to fill.

[almcguirejr]

Drake Harris verbally accepted a football scholarship offer from MSU today.  He may also try to play basketball.

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Drake Harris verbally accepted a football scholarship offer from MSU today.  He may also try to play basketball.

As I understand it, this is the way it has to be done in order to play both sports in year one. Since football precedes basketball in the academic (ha!) calendar, Drake couldn't play football on a basketball scholarship. Student athletes (ha!) must compete in their scholarship sport before participating in additional sports.

[sflzman]

Drake Harris verbally accepted a football scholarship offer from MSU today.  He may also try to play basketball.

As I understand it, this is the way it has to be done in order to play both sports in year one. Since football precedes basketball in the academic (ha!) calendar, Drake couldn't play football on a basketball scholarship. Student athletes (ha!) must compete in their scholarship sport before participating in additional sports.

What happens if you accept a baseball scholarship and want to play an additional sport?  How does that work out?

[13wapiti]

Goshen College website shows that they will be playing at Hope tournament on Dec 7 & 8.

http://www.goleafs.net/schedule/10/1.php

It's also interesting to note that the NAIA Mid-Central College Conference that Goshen belongs to has changed their name to the Crossroads League.

[ziggy]

Drake Harris verbally accepted a football scholarship offer from MSU today.  He may also try to play basketball.

As I understand it, this is the way it has to be done in order to play both sports in year one. Since football precedes basketball in the academic (ha!) calendar, Drake couldn't play football on a basketball scholarship. Student athletes (ha!) must compete in their scholarship sport before participating in additional sports.

What happens if you accept a baseball scholarship and want to play an additional sport?  How does that work out?

I would guess that the policy encompasses all sports but don't know for sure. It seems odd on the surface but makes sense when you consider an athletic department could otherwise resort to some "shady scholarship accounting" to get around scholarship limits.

[sac]

Drake Harris verbally accepted a football scholarship offer from MSU today.  He may also try to play basketball.

As I understand it, this is the way it has to be done in order to play both sports in year one. Since football precedes basketball in the academic (ha!) calendar, Drake couldn't play football on a basketball scholarship. Student athletes (ha!) must compete in their scholarship sport before participating in additional sports.

What happens if you accept a baseball scholarship and want to play an additional sport?  How does that work out?

If you play football, it counts towards football.  Otherwise the school gets to decide what sport.

From the wiki......so the appropriate grain of salt is necessary here
The NCAA also has rules specifying the sport in which multi-sport athletes are to be counted, with the basic rules being:[18]

    Anyone who participates in football is counted in that sport, even if he does not receive financial aid from the football program. An exception exists for players at non-scholarship FCS programs who receive aid in another sport.[19]

    Participants in basketball are counted in that sport, unless they also play football.

    Participants in men's ice hockey are counted in that sport, unless they also play football or basketball.

    Participants in both men's swimming and diving and men's water polo are counted in swimming and diving, unless they count in football or basketball.

    Participants in women's volleyball are counted in that sport unless they also play basketball.

    All other multi-sport athletes are counted in whichever sport the school chooses.


There was a time when some big time programs would hide athletes on other teams such as track to get past scholarship limits.  I don't remember how long these have been in place but its seems like its been some time.

[ziggy]

Drake Harris verbally accepted a football scholarship offer from MSU today.  He may also try to play basketball.

As I understand it, this is the way it has to be done in order to play both sports in year one. Since football precedes basketball in the academic (ha!) calendar, Drake couldn't play football on a basketball scholarship. Student athletes (ha!) must compete in their scholarship sport before participating in additional sports.

What happens if you accept a baseball scholarship and want to play an additional sport?  How does that work out?

If you play football, it counts towards football.  Otherwise the school gets to decide what sport.

From the wiki......so the appropriate grain of salt is necessary here
The NCAA also has rules specifying the sport in which multi-sport athletes are to be counted, with the basic rules being:[18]

    Anyone who participates in football is counted in that sport, even if he does not receive financial aid from the football program. An exception exists for players at non-scholarship FCS programs who receive aid in another sport.[19]

    Participants in basketball are counted in that sport, unless they also play football.

    Participants in men's ice hockey are counted in that sport, unless they also play football or basketball.

    Participants in both men's swimming and diving and men's water polo are counted in swimming and diving, unless they count in football or basketball.

    Participants in women's volleyball are counted in that sport unless they also play basketball.

    All other multi-sport athletes are counted in whichever sport the school chooses.


There was a time when some big time programs would hide athletes on other teams such as track to get past scholarship limits.  I don't remember how long these have been in place but its seems like its been some time.

And there is the more thorough answer.
They basically set up a hierarchy to avoid the scholarship hiding problems where they would really matter.
Men: Football ->  Basketball -> Hockey/Baseball -> U pick it
Women: Basketball -> Volleyball -> U pick it

[KnightSlappy]

Again, I don't remember if this had been posted already, but Trine's schedule is up.

http://www.trine.edu/athletics/mens_sports/basketball/schedule/

They're starting with exhibition games in Canada on September 30 and October 1 (!). I know there are international provisions for offseason participation, but I'm not sure how it all works.

Lots of regional games. The only one listed (missing tournament opponents) that's not in-region is Olivet Nazarene. Earlham, Manchester, North Central, North Park, and Franklin are all in-region, plus the probability of picking up a couple more at Heidelberg and Otterbein tournaments.

It looks like there's going to be lots of cross-pollination this year in the MIAA non-con schedules. Wabash, North Park, Manchester, and TBA all seem to be appearing a lot.

[sac]

Alma, Albion and Olivet are the 3 schedules remaining to be revealed.

It looks like there's going to be lots of cross-pollination this year in the MIAA non-con schedules. Wabash, North Park, Manchester, and TBA all seem to be appearing a lot.

North Central is playing Kalamazoo and Trine on the 2nd and 4th of Dec. along with a potential game with Hope.


Once again that 1st weekend in December is shaping up to have a bunch of excellent games.

Dec 1&2  Hope vs Wheaton/Carthage
Dec 1&2  Calvin vs Wheaton/Carthage
Dec 1   Adrian vs Carnegie-Mellon
Dec 1   Kzoo vs Chicago
Dec 1   Trine vs North Central
Dec 2   Kzoo vs North Central
Dec 4   Trine vs Wabash

[sac]

Schedule links in one handy place

Adrian:  http://www.adrianbulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/2012-13/schedule
Albion:
Alma:
Calvin:  http://www.calvin.edu/sports/mens/basketball/schedule.htm
Hope:  http://www.hope.edu/athletics/mbb/
Kalamazoo:  http://www.kzoo.edu/sports/mb/mb12-13/mbschd12-13.html
Olivet:
Trine:  http://www.trine.edu/athletics/mens_sports/basketball/schedule/

[goodknight]

The dreaded D1 transfer conversation gets stirred up with the news that Jalen Bouma will be coming to Calvin this fall.  Jalen, who prepped at Ann Arbor Huron, was on his way to becoming a two-sport Knight two years ago, but Eastern Michigan University turned his head with a baseball scholarship. He played baseball at EMU his freshman year, but red-shirted his second year.  He'll immediately improve Calvin's baseball fortunes, and could contribute a healthy dollop of speed and depth at the point guard position on the basketball floor during his two or three years at Calvin.

[KnightSlappy]

The dreaded D1 transfer conversation gets stirred up with the news that Jalen Bouma will be coming to Calvin this fall.  Jalen, who prepped at Ann Arbor Huron, was on his way to becoming a two-sport Knight two years ago, but Eastern Michigan University turned his head with a baseball scholarship. He played baseball at EMU his freshman year, but red-shirted his second year.  He'll immediately improve Calvin's baseball fortunes, and could contribute a healthy dollop of speed and depth at the point guard position on the basketball floor during his two or three years at Calvin.

I'm thinking he'll find it difficult to crack the hoops roster, especially if he's been away from the game for a couple of years. Calvin shouldn't be hurting for PG depth this coming year.

But I'm already anticipating one or two surprises when the final roster comes out, so who knows.