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devossed

Quote from: Civic Minded on July 10, 2012, 03:53:10 PM
Quote from: BogeyMan on July 10, 2012, 02:51:58 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 10, 2012, 08:58:32 AM
Additional article from the Kazoo Gazette - states it is a full time position and was his decision to leave:

http://www.mlive.com/sports/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/07/kalamazoo_central_basketball_c_2.html

In fact it may be the first full time assistant since May.  It has been said Albion was the only Men's program without a full time assistant.

Hope has a full-time assistant?  Calvin too?

I've been told by multiple sources over the years that hope does NOT have a full-time assistant. In fact, the salaries of the 3 "part-timers"don't even together equal one full-time staff member. It truly is a labor of love for the Tom Davelaar's of the world, and a huge credit for Hope being successful all these years despite the handicap.

I'd imagine Calvin is probably similar.

Flying Dutch Fan

Quote from: devossed on July 11, 2012, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: Civic Minded on July 10, 2012, 03:53:10 PM
Quote from: BogeyMan on July 10, 2012, 02:51:58 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 10, 2012, 08:58:32 AM
Additional article from the Kazoo Gazette - states it is a full time position and was his decision to leave:

http://www.mlive.com/sports/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/07/kalamazoo_central_basketball_c_2.html

In fact it may be the first full time assistant since May.  It has been said Albion was the only Men's program without a full time assistant.

Hope has a full-time assistant?  Calvin too?

I've been told by multiple sources over the years that hope does NOT have a full-time assistant. In fact, the salaries of the 3 "part-timers"don't even together equal one full-time staff member. It truly is a labor of love for the Tom Davelaar's of the world, and a huge credit for Hope being successful all these years despite the handicap.

I'd imagine Calvin is probably similar.

In reality Hope, Calvin, and many others don't even have full-time head coaches.   The coaches are also teaching or managing the facilities or... - right?
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That's common in a lot of schools, though. Teaching is less common but facilities management/assistant AD roles are common ways to throw enough money into a position to make it full time or more attractive in general.
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Knight2Day

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 11, 2012, 12:20:28 PM
Quote from: devossed on July 11, 2012, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: Civic Minded on July 10, 2012, 03:53:10 PM
Quote from: BogeyMan on July 10, 2012, 02:51:58 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 10, 2012, 08:58:32 AM
Additional article from the Kazoo Gazette - states it is a full time position and was his decision to leave:

http://www.mlive.com/sports/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/07/kalamazoo_central_basketball_c_2.html

In fact it may be the first full time assistant since May.  It has been said Albion was the only Men's program without a full time assistant.

Hope has a full-time assistant?  Calvin too?

I've been told by multiple sources over the years that hope does NOT have a full-time assistant. In fact, the salaries of the 3 "part-timers"don't even together equal one full-time staff member. It truly is a labor of love for the Tom Davelaar's of the world, and a huge credit for Hope being successful all these years despite the handicap.

I'd imagine Calvin is probably similar.

In reality Hope, Calvin, and many others don't even have full-time head coaches.   The coaches are also teaching or managing the facilities or... - right?

Calvin doesn't technically have any full time coaches you either have to be teaching classes or have an outside job...unless you can pull of having the tough assignment of building manager like the fearless leader of the basketball team :) :) :) :)

Knight2Day

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 11, 2012, 12:20:28 PM
Quote from: devossed on July 11, 2012, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: Civic Minded on July 10, 2012, 03:53:10 PM
Quote from: BogeyMan on July 10, 2012, 02:51:58 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 10, 2012, 08:58:32 AM
Additional article from the Kazoo Gazette - states it is a full time position and was his decision to leave:

http://www.mlive.com/sports/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/07/kalamazoo_central_basketball_c_2.html

In fact it may be the first full time assistant since May.  It has been said Albion was the only Men's program without a full time assistant.

Hope has a full-time assistant?  Calvin too?

I've been told by multiple sources over the years that hope does NOT have a full-time assistant. In fact, the salaries of the 3 "part-timers"don't even together equal one full-time staff member. It truly is a labor of love for the Tom Davelaar's of the world, and a huge credit for Hope being successful all these years despite the handicap.

I'd imagine Calvin is probably similar.

In reality Hope, Calvin, and many others don't even have full-time head coaches.   The coaches are also teaching or managing the facilities or... - right?

From what I was told but individuals at Calvin, the lack of full time coaching positions at Calvin is what lost Calvin coach Hughes to D-port.

sac

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Flying Dutch Fan

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"Sports are kind of like passion and that's temporary in many cases, but academics - that's like true love and that's enduring." 
John Wooden

"Blame FDF.  That's the default.  Always blame FDF."
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All the talk of "full-time" coaches lead me back to one of my favorite dorky activities... digging through the tax returns of MIAA institutions (all not-for-profit tax returns can be viewed at www.guidestar.org.  (Registration is required, but its free.)  They list the compensation for all officers and certain highly-paid employees. 

The only MIAA basketball figure I have ever found in that list is GVW at Hope.  He was consistently listed from my time at Hope through 2008. His last year on the list before a couple of other professors topped him. If you want to know how much, you can go look it up (2008 Form 990, Schedule A.)   It would be interesting to know what percentage of his wages were from the kinesiology department and what was from the athletic department. 

Flying Dutch Fan

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 12, 2012, 08:44:30 AM
National Honors Court awards for 4 Hope players:

http://www.hope.edu/2012/07/11/basketball-players-honored-academics

Looking at the complete listing from the NABC, Kalamazoo also had 4 players named to the National Honors Court.  That makes for 8 MIAA athletes - quite impressive. 

The Honors Court salutes varsity student-athletes who meet these qualifications:

1. Academically a junior or senior and a varsity player.

2. Cumulative G.P.A. of 3.2 or higher at the conclusion of the 2011-12 academic year.

3. Students must have matriculated at least one year at their current institution.

4. Member of an NCAA Division I, II, III, or NAIA Institution.

Nationally, 429 men's basketball players qualified for inclusion on the Court, including only 162 from Division III.

Hope
David Krombeen   Senior   Psychology
Logan Neil   Senior   Exercise Science/Psychology
Billy Seiler  Junior   Exercise Science
Nate King   Senior   Spanish

Kalamazoo
Travis Braun   Junior   Economics
Evan Levine   Senior   Classics
Joseph Prepolec   Senior   Economics
Brad Woelke   Junior   Biology
2016, 2020, 2022 MIAA Pick 'Em Champion

"Sports are kind of like passion and that's temporary in many cases, but academics - that's like true love and that's enduring." 
John Wooden

"Blame FDF.  That's the default.  Always blame FDF."
goodknight

Happy Calvin Guy

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 12, 2012, 03:18:19 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 12, 2012, 08:44:30 AM
National Honors Court awards for 4 Hope players:

http://www.hope.edu/2012/07/11/basketball-players-honored-academics

Looking at the complete listing from the NABC, Kalamazoo also had 4 players named to the National Honors Court.  That makes for 8 MIAA athletes - quite impressive. 

The Honors Court salutes varsity student-athletes who meet these qualifications:

1. Academically a junior or senior and a varsity player.

2. Cumulative G.P.A. of 3.2 or higher at the conclusion of the 2011-12 academic year.

3. Students must have matriculated at least one year at their current institution.

4. Member of an NCAA Division I, II, III, or NAIA Institution.

Nationally, 429 men's basketball players qualified for inclusion on the Court, including only 162 from Division III.


Taking nothing away from the honorees' achievements, these requirements don't seem to me to be a terribly high bar for the overall student-athlete population.  I'm surprised at how few hit the 3.2 GPA figure, which is effectively a B/B+ average.  Or perhaps it's a testament to the rigorous nature of our institutions' academics.  :)

KnightSlappy

Quote from: Happy Calvin Guy on July 12, 2012, 04:59:25 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 12, 2012, 03:18:19 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on July 12, 2012, 08:44:30 AM
National Honors Court awards for 4 Hope players:

http://www.hope.edu/2012/07/11/basketball-players-honored-academics

Looking at the complete listing from the NABC, Kalamazoo also had 4 players named to the National Honors Court.  That makes for 8 MIAA athletes - quite impressive. 

The Honors Court salutes varsity student-athletes who meet these qualifications:

1. Academically a junior or senior and a varsity player.

2. Cumulative G.P.A. of 3.2 or higher at the conclusion of the 2011-12 academic year.

3. Students must have matriculated at least one year at their current institution.

4. Member of an NCAA Division I, II, III, or NAIA Institution.

Nationally, 429 men's basketball players qualified for inclusion on the Court, including only 162 from Division III.


Taking nothing away from the honorees' achievements, these requirements don't seem to me to be a terribly high bar for the overall student-athlete population.  I'm surprised at how few hit the 3.2 GPA figure, which is effectively a B/B+ average.  Or perhaps it's a testament to the rigorous nature of our institutions' academics.  :)

You don't seem to be properly considering the rigors of an exercise science program.

/ducks




KnightSlappy

Quote from: sac on July 12, 2012, 10:05:21 PM
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/pe/programs/exercisescience.htm

Wasn't implying it doesn't exist everywhere, just that it ranks on the easier end of the continuum for college majors.