MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[wiz]

So you wouldn't have had a problem if Snuggs had played 40 minutes against CoF and scored 68 points - just so he could set a record of some sort?

I have no problem with what Grinnell did but I would have a huge problem with Snuggs playing 40 minutes against CoF and scoring 68 points.

[northb]

So you wouldn't have had a problem if Snuggs had played 40 minutes against CoF and scored 68 points - just so he could set a record of some sort?

I have no problem with what Grinnell did but I would have a huge problem with Snuggs playing 40 minutes against CoF and scoring 68 points.

Why?

[Flying Dutch Fan]

What bothers me most about this is not the huge number of points scored with "the system".  That's the way they play all the time, so fine - score a lot of points and give up a lot of points as well.  What bothers me is that they obviously changed their own system with one goal in mind - have this kid break the record. 

From the d3hoops article:

"Grinnell traditionally subs players in and out in waves, with no player playing more than around 20 minutes. That did not happen tonight, or on the night in which Lentsch scored his 89 points, as the offense was clearly altered to favor a particular player."

If it bothered Faith, then they should have made an adjustment to stop this one player from scoring so much.

So you wouldn't have had a problem if Snuggs had played 40 minutes against CoF and scored 68 points - just so he could set a record of some sort?

I would LOL at Hope for doing it, but I don't know that I would have some moral disapproval of it.

Guess we have different opinions on this one - but I am curious about yours.  So do you have no "moral disapproval" of any team running up the score?  How about if a player would stop on a breakaway, and pass to teammate just to pad his assists?

[Stinger]

Good blog post on what took place last night http://burnstyler.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/138-points-in-a-single-game-what-the-box-score-tells-us/

[sac]

For the season Faith Baptist opponents are shooting 59% from the floor, Grinnell shot 50%.

[KnightSlappy]

What bothers me most about this is not the huge number of points scored with "the system".  That's the way they play all the time, so fine - score a lot of points and give up a lot of points as well.  What bothers me is that they obviously changed their own system with one goal in mind - have this kid break the record. 

From the d3hoops article:

"Grinnell traditionally subs players in and out in waves, with no player playing more than around 20 minutes. That did not happen tonight, or on the night in which Lentsch scored his 89 points, as the offense was clearly altered to favor a particular player."

If it bothered Faith, then they should have made an adjustment to stop this one player from scoring so much.

So you wouldn't have had a problem if Snuggs had played 40 minutes against CoF and scored 68 points - just so he could set a record of some sort?

I would LOL at Hope for doing it, but I don't know that I would have some moral disapproval of it.

Guess we have different opinions on this one - but I am curious about yours.  So do you have no "moral disapproval" of any team running up the score?  How about if a player would stop on a breakaway, and pass to teammate just to pad his assists?

I do not approve of running up the score at the rec league "everybody plays" level. Perhaps also not at the high school level.

I think the assist example is just fine.

I'm not saying I would do this, or that I don't think Grinnell's record here isn't stupid, but I'm not outraged by it in the least.

[oldknight]

Good blog post on what took place last night http://burnstyler.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/138-points-in-a-single-game-what-the-box-score-tells-us/

+K to Stinger for the link. After reading it, and watching the video, I am even more convinced the "record" is meaningless--a mere curiousity really. I'm pretty sure we know what Grantland Rice would think.

Nor victory, nor yet defeat
is chalked against the players name.
But down the roll, the final scroll,
shows only how he played the game.

[sac]

Does anyone know if Hope will have a video feed of this weekend's GRSHOF games?

The fact this question can't be answered with a 'Yes' is embarrassing in the year 2012.

[maroonandgold]

There are plenty of seats and tickets available for the HOF games, aren't there?

[ziggy]

In the first half last night, Calvin scored 54 points on 25 field goals with 18 assists.

Compare that to last year's game against Anderson when Calvin scored 60 points on 23 field goals with 17 assists for the entire game.

[goodknight]

Based on what we saw last night, Anderson is a young team with very little height or depth.  Calvin waxed the Ravens thoroughly.
Last year, the Knights struggled against mediocre and sometimes bad teams.
So far this season, Calvin is avoiding those problems and pitfalls.
Lots of talent and passion to this point.
I'm still wondering who wants to be the leader of the band, and the go-to guy at crunch time.
Will it be Jordan Brink?  Tom Snikkers? Tyler Kruis? Mickey DeVries? Someone else?   

[knightvision]

Here is the box score from Grinnell:  http://faith.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/boxscores/20121120_genl.xml

Jack Taylor took 58 (3 shots per minute) of the 66 FGA by Grinnell in the second half.  No other starter attempted a shot in the second half.  Taylor was 18-39 on 3pt shots in the second half.  He had 80 points in the second half. The rest of the team scored 14.

Faith Baptist has this game listed as an exhibition on their schedule.

In a game they won by 75 points, I find this performance MUCH more disgusting than praiseworthy.  SHAME on Jack Taylor (and especially on his coach).

You kind of know what you're getting into when scheduling Grinnell though. I don't have a problem with it.

Over/under on 2500 fans if Calvin hosted Grinnell in a non-conference matchup. I have to imagine there would be a lot of people interested to come watch.

For those who have chimed in on the Grinnell game publicity stunt/Guinness book of basketball records event:  Would you go? 

I'm guessing you may be right--lots of people would probably go--but I for one would not waste my time.  This reminds a little of pick-up hoops where everyone has had a good run/sweat after an hour or two, I get talked into "just 1 more", and 30 seconds into the "last one" realize this doesn't even remotely resemble real basketball the way the game was meant to be played.  This is way beyond a style of play that Grinnell is famous for, and while I'm suspect they are basking in what is probably a short-term promotional success, I earnestly hope it bites them in the long run. If I'm an AD with any modicum of respectability, there is no way I schedule them...

In contrast, couldn't help but think of Jack Doles award winning piece several years ago about a high school team manager with some kind of disability (I think at Holland Christian?) who prior to the game the coaches and players "arranged" to give an opportunity to play for a few seconds if it didn't affect the outcome of the game.  I believe the kid hit a three or something at the end of the game--and there wasn't a dry eye in the place.  Honored a special kid who was passionate about his school and hoops, and did nothing to disrespect the game--even though it was arranged.

I will pay to see the latter, and you couldn't pay me to endure last night's publicity stunt. 

There, I feel much better with that off my chest
   

[Galahad]

Does anyone know if Hope will have a video feed of this weekend's GRSHOF games?

The fact this question can't be answered with a 'Yes' is embarrassing in the year 2012.

Amen

[sac]

There are plenty of seats and tickets available for the HOF games, aren't there?

always, these games never sell out.  Even when they're at the smaller AQ and Cornerstone gyms.

[monsoon]

There are plenty of seats and tickets available for the HOF games, aren't there?

always, these games never sell out.  Even when they're at the smaller AQ and Cornerstone gyms.

This "tournament" needs to end.