MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Adrian Bulldawg Alum]

Adrian and Defiance are going to overtime.  59 to 59.

Adrian outplayed Defiance for most of the 2nd half and pulled away to a 9 point lead and had a 5 point lead with less than 2 minutes left but couldn't hold on to it.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Adrian wins 70-69 when Brandon Romain hits a jumper in the paint with 1 second left in OT. The Bulldogs enter MIAA play undefeated and the league enters conference play on the plus side versus in-region opponents!

[almcguirejr]

Why is Snuggerud not starting and minutes played drastically reduced?  Is he injured or is this a coach's decision?

[hoopdreams]

100% coaches decision.  Going to reek havoc on everyone else's second unit.  Hope has the biggest bench in the united states- 6'6, 6'8, 6'10

[almcguirejr]

100% coaches decision.  Going to reek havoc on everyone else's second unit.  Hope has the biggest bench in the united states- 6'6, 6'8, 6'10

Hope has an excellent history of players returning for their senior year  and having great seasons. 
Reimink, Cramer, Vander Heide, Bowser, and Krombeen all had great senior seasons.  I have to believe that Snuggerud is going to get his game and head together. I can't see Snuggerud remaining on the second unit.  Hope has too much talent too think they aren't going to be in the mix for a conference championship.

[BogeyMan]

Sac, are you sure Defiance is considered in Region.  A couple years ago Defiance had a great start to their season and someone on this board replied to me that they are not an in region opponent because of the location of most of the schools in their conference.  Just asking the question?

[OC_SID]

Sac, are you sure Defiance is considered in Region.  A couple years ago Defiance had a great start to their season and someone on this board replied to me that they are not an in region opponent because of the location of most of the schools in their conference.  Just asking the question?

BogeyMan, Yes, it's a regional game. Please take a minute to read this page: http://www.d3hoops.com/interactive/faq/ncaatournament#regional to get the definition of a regional game.

[Adrian Bulldawg Alum]

Nice to get the win last night for Adrian, but honestly think that they underperformed.  My guess is they were looking ahead to Calvin and Hope.

These games will test Adrian physically and mentally and hopefully they'll be up to the challange.

[neilrocks]

100% coaches decision.  Going to reek havoc on everyone else's second unit.  Hope has the biggest bench in the united states- 6'6, 6'8, 6'10

Hope has an excellent history of players returning for their senior year  and having great seasons. 
Reimink, Cramer, Vander Heide, Bowser, and Krombeen all had great senior seasons.  I have to believe that Snuggerud is going to get his game and head together. I can't see Snuggerud remaining on the second unit.  Hope has too much talent too think they aren't going to be in the mix for a conference championship.

When you go off on your coach and teammates in a team meeting and then tell your coach to "bench" you.  I think he will spend "some" time on the bench.  IMHO, he needs to stay there.  The bench is a good spot for those who don't like to see it the team way

[hoopdreams]

In response to Al.....most seniors have strong senior years, especially when they are driven to excel, wanting to help their team make a tourney run or possibly have a chip on their shoulder.  With several Hope seniors, they had to wait their turn behind other talented teammates in order to have their moment in the sun.

The individual in question didn't have to wait until his senior year.  Possibly having 8 months to reflect upon his amazing 2012 tourney play was a bad thing.

Also, the players you spoke of, all played for a different head coach.  GVW made you pay your dues, learn the ropes/ schemes, etc...and if you stuck it out, we're rewarded with a stellar senior season opportunity...unless a quality transfer was available.  MN is a "what can you do for us now" type of coach and if you can play.......you will play now.  There is NO WAY possible that Edison and Benson would be allowed to flourish the way they are under the old coach.  I watched him pull the reigns on far too many youngsters. 

There was a pecking order in place and in the old days, kids and parents either understood it or where tolerant.  Today, most are too impatient, hence for enormous amount of athletes who left GVW's program the last 3 or 4 years.

Yes, JH and EE excelled as babies.  They were the drastic, amazing exceptions, not the norm.

[KnightSlappy]

According to today's Massey Ratings update: http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2013&sub=11620

#13 Adrian
#26 Calvin (predicts Calvin over Adrian by 4 on Thursday)
#89 Hope
#117 Trine
#134 Alma
#214 Olivet
#262 Albion
#302 Kalamazoo

[sac]

According to today's Massey Ratings update: http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2013&sub=11620

#13 Adrian
#26 Calvin (predicts Calvin over Adrian by 4 on Thursday)
#89 Hope
#117 Trine
#134 Alma
#214 Olivet
#262 Albion
#302 Kalamazoo

Using the %probability of wins

1. Adrian       13-1
1. Calvin       13-1
3.  Hope       10-4
4.  Trine        8-6
5.  Alma         6-8
6.  Olivet       3-11
6.  Albion       3-11
8.  Kzoo        0-14

[sac]

Sac, are you sure Defiance is considered in Region.  A couple years ago Defiance had a great start to their season and someone on this board replied to me that they are not an in region opponent because of the location of most of the schools in their conference.  Just asking the question?

For Adrian that's in-region because of the 200 mile rule and being in the same administrative region.   I don't remember when they added the 200 mile or administrative region rules but Defiance would not be in-region without them.  I'm thinking there was never a time when that opponent wasn't in-region for anyone in the MIAA.

Outside of Manchester and Defiance I believe most of the HCAC falls outside the 200 miles, so those weren't in-region until they added the administrative region thing.

crazy.

[sac]

Yes, JH and EE excelled as babies.  They were the drastic, amazing exceptions, not the norm.

Joel Holstege never started as a Fr and avg'd 14 minutes per game.  His Soph. year he started every game.  just fyi.

Elliot, Bosma and Overbeek started the most as Fr.   Mostly because they had to but I don't recall what EE's Fr season was like because I wasn't at Hope yet.  There was also the team in 1994 that started up to 3 Fr.  Muhlenberg, Whitford and Brown also because they mostly had to.

Steve Cramer only started 1 game but avg'd 21 minutes per game in 2004.


Throughout most of the MIAA until recently I don't believe that's much different.

[BogeyMan]

Thanks Sac and OC_SID.  Appreciate the information and explanation.